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Why You’ve Never Read “I Have A Dream”

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Re: Why You’ve Never Read “I Have A Dream”

#81

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=i+have+a+dream&p... thank god for those who don't respect overzealous copyright holders.

While I am glad that some people on Youtube have posted this video anyway, IMHO, the end solution to broken uses of copyright isn't to say, "let's just ignore it", even if that does have a desirable effect in the meantime.

Re: Why You’ve Never Read “I Have A Dream”

#82

Actually, I have read "I Have a Dream". In school. In multiple classes, at multiple schools, in different parts of the U.S. We also watched the video of the speech in class. Copyright law isn't preventing the material from being taught. Teachers don't actually care about such restrictions. They ignore them and teach it anyway.

Same here. I read it in school during Black History Month just about every year as a kid. I don't think teachers worry about getting sued by the King estate for photocopying the speech, any more than they worry about kids singing Happy Birthday in class.

Re: Why You’ve Never Read “I Have A Dream”

#83
post #34

Yet Fox News published it not two days ago: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/27/transcript-martin-luthe...

Chances are they had to pay for it, since that probably did not fall under "fair use" (they are a commercial entity, using the speech as part of their commercial purposes).

Unfortunately, the same can be said about textbook publishers, and most of them don't pay for it.

Worse, the video is much more heavily controlled by the King estate than the printed text.

Re: Why You’ve Never Read “I Have A Dream”

#84

The author here makes a good point until he asks his final question. In the case of Dr. Martin Luther King I don't believe copyright would have had any influence on the likelihood of delivering it. The purpose of the speech was selfless and so despite the copyright issue being disappointing it doesn't seem like he would have said "well, since future students won't be able to read the full text of my speech why delive…

> But for every case like the King speech there are plenty more that are examples of its benefit.

How does extending copyright to 70 years after his death benefit our culture or the dead author? Do you honestly think there is even a single song or piece of literature that was not written because the author was concerned about his grandchildren retaining copyright control over his idea?

I appreciate that you're trying to take a balanced view, but you're missing the point that the laws have extended copyright to such absurd levels that they now damaging the cultural progress they are supposed to promote.

If you don't think this is a real issue, I suggest you read these two other examples of copyright destroying our cultural heritage.

http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/permalink/2013/20130215archi...

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2010/03/documentaries-old...

Re: Why You’ve Never Read “I Have A Dream”

#86
post #23

I have to disagree with part of the premise. While the speech is copyrighted, that might not be the reason most people haven't read or seen the entirety of the speech. If schools really wanted to teach it, it would be well within fair use laws for them to show the whole thing. There are probably a variety of other reasons why you don't see this speech taught in schools. First one that comes to mind is its length. Unl…

I really don't think references to religion are a problem. My AP English class read parts of the Bible itself - because it has significant literary and historic importance even if you don't view it as a religious text. This is in a secular public school in a very liberal state only recently. Nobody objected, because if you start going down that road, you will have to throw out pretty much everything written before 1800.

Re: Why You’ve Never Read “I Have A Dream”

#87
post #62

I both read and heard the speech entirely in high school back in the 80s. We spent something like 2-3 days on it and MLK's life during that period. Is the author (and submitter, who's the same person) working off a false premise?

> Is the author (and submitter, who's the same person) working off a false premise?

A large portion of this was affected by a lawsuit from 1999, so keep that in mind[0][1]

Also, students today are not prevented from reading the speech; however, the teacher must find a copy online and print it out and distribute it to the students - the point is that most textbooks will not be able to publish/include it.

As for the video recording, yes that's been much more heavily restricted.

[0]http://www.law.cornell.edu/copyright/cases/194_F3d_1211.htm [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estate_of_Martin_Luther_King,_J....

Re: Why You’ve Never Read “I Have A Dream”

#88

The author here makes a good point until he asks his final question. In the case of Dr. Martin Luther King I don't believe copyright would have had any influence on the likelihood of delivering it. The purpose of the speech was selfless and so despite the copyright issue being disappointing it doesn't seem like he would have said "well, since future students won't be able to read the full text of my speech why delive…

"for every case like the King speech there are plenty more that are examples of its benefit."

Easy to say, but where is the proof? Bear in mind the history of copyright:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licensing_of_the_Press_Act_166...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_anne

Re: Why You’ve Never Read “I Have A Dream”

#89

The speech is readily found by those who know how to Google. Perhaps more Americans would have read the speech if not for the crazy copyright laws, but I think most people haven't read it simply because most people aren't interested in reading historical speeches. It's a little off-topic and a little cynical, but I think the larger issue here is that we've watered our teaching of history (and most things) down to sou…

> The speech is readily found by those who know how to Google.

Unfortunately, textbook are still a/the standard source of information in most public schools. Yes, this raises separate questions about the way that we structure our education system, but that's not the issue at hand.

The speech is readily found by those willing to go out of their way to look for it, but it is not included in most textbooks, because those publishers would then have to pay royalties to the King estate (and indirectly pass those costs along to the schools).

The video is much harder to find (legally, not illegally!), because the King estate controls it much more tightly.

Re: Why You’ve Never Read “I Have A Dream”

#90
post #22

King himself sued people over the copyright. We need to be careful not to revise history and turn people who did great things into saints.

> We need to be careful not to revise history and turn people who did great things into saints.

That's true. I should have cut the last paragraph before posting, but now that it's out there and people have read it, I think it's best to let it stand.

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