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Re: Ask: Stigma of the unemployed - a better job title for a lifestyle entrepreneur?

#21
I am Italian and have been an entrepreneur myself, for this reason, I understand your difficulty.

However, before even trying to describe your lifestyle in a less defensive way, I would suggest to change attitude about your job.

Far from being a stigma, running a small business makes you a successful person if you enjoy what you do, if your business is stable, if it grows organically, if it allows you to employ people, if it leaves you time to live your life fully.

Saying "I am an entrepreneur in the field" should be convincing enough if you feel strong about what you are doing.

After all, if you feel strong about your choices, anyone who kills the conversation at this point might not be someone you want continue dating anyway.

Re: Ask: Stigma of the unemployed - a better job title for a lifestyle entrepreneur?

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I run a small software company which $BENEFITS_STATEMENT. You can tailor the benefits to whatever you thing the person you are speaking to values.

Did you A/B test those kinds of statements with girls prior to getting married? :-)

No, because dating a statistically significant sample of women sounds dreadfully expensive and conversions would be too slow to get results while I was still young enough to use them.

Sorry, I'm a bit literally minded. OK, so did I try saying different things to ladies to see how they reacted? Yes.

What worked very poorly: self-deprecation ("I'm gainfully unemployed"), describing myself as an engineer, and minimizing my accomplishments in starting a company. What worked very well: focusing more on the benefits of software rather than on the "software" bit, leaving a bit of ambiguity about what I actually did for a living, and mentioning things which "normal people" tend to associate with successful businessmen. (e.g. It was, at one point, equally truthful to say "I do A/B testing" and "A firm in Germany recently flew me there to speak to the CEO about what they would need to do to increase sales by a few million dollars." Try asking young ladies of your acquaintance to rate the attractiveness of two friends with those occupations.)

I got radically more successful with dating after I treated it as a marketing exercise and realized that some scripts I had internalized about it were the dating equivalent of "Good products always win so just focus on product quality and that obviates your need for a marketing strategy."

Re: Ask: Stigma of the unemployed - a better job title for a lifestyle entrepreneur?

#24
Business owner? Businessman? Or maybe it's the way you talk about it. I'm from Europe too and I'm not aware of this phenomena. Maybe the translation for that in your language has some other connotation or evokes a different feeling. In my native language we have a word for that too, but to be honest it feels completely different.

Anyways how does that kill the conversation? -What do you do for a living? -I'm an entrepreneur. -Ohhh, I see. I have to go now, bye! A bit odd.

Anyways - optimize for quality rather than quality. Having everyone fall in love with you is pretty crap if you don't like them back. You need just one.

Re: Ask: Stigma of the unemployed - a better job title for a lifestyle entrepreneur?

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I run a small software company which $BENEFITS_STATEMENT. You can tailor the benefits to whatever you thing the person you are speaking to values.

Can you give us some good, non-awkward-to-say, benefit statement examples?

If you ever feel awkward saying something, trying saying it like the Old Spice Guy would say it. It seems to me this often makes things almost magically less awkward.

My answer around techies is different and generally focuses on tech-centric social proof, but if I were e.g. at a McKenzie family reunion where capitalism is vaguely distasteful and teachers can do no wrong, I would bang the "I helped teach X million kids a reading lesson last year" drum pretty hard.

Re: Ask: Stigma of the unemployed - a better job title for a lifestyle entrepreneur?

#27
> I'm dating at the moment and find it difficult to succinctly describe my occupation in a way that does not kill the conversation dead

As a general rule, don't answer questions like that straight. They're bound to kill the conversation, you're not at a job interview.

Jewel thief ("casing the joint" if it fits), duck cleaner (watch dirty jobs), art forger ("-- Really?! Can you draw something for me? -- No, that would be original art.")... will all go over much better than whatever your real occupation is.

It's the same with age ("64, hanging in there! Just 8 more months to retirement. Great genes though, right?"), where you're from, what your hobbies are... The difference between lying and flirting is that the embellishment should be almost obvious.

Re: Ask: Stigma of the unemployed - a better job title for a lifestyle entrepreneur?

#28
Well, i am from Eastern Europe too, and my business can be best described exactly as yours, and i don't see absolutely any stigma. Everyone is ready to accept that running a small business is way better than working 9-5 for a meager wage.

Maybe in U.K. or Germany it might sound as 'unemployed', but in Eastern Europe 'employed' almost always means 'poor loser' unless you work for a big name company (SAP/Gazprom) or at least a mid-tier manager. So, there is more stigma attached to employment than unemployment. In fact, many people just tell to girls 'i don't work' and that adds to their image rather than subtracts. Remember old Soviet curse "i wish you live on your salary alone!"

If you feel bad telling you don't work 9-5, buy a sports car. It helps.

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