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Re: He got 1%, we can't hire him

#201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I could see a possible role for HR. I don't think it remotely resembles what they are usually there to do. True story: I got an ad for a consulting position for "Postgre" The description had as a listed skill: "PostgreSQL USE GOOGLE TO VERIFY SPELLING" That's a bad sign there.

Or a recent job posting I saw for a Java tech lead: Required: Java Open source technologies Microsoft Visual Studio

This reminds me of a job posting I found around 2004, which had as requirement "at least 5 years of experience with C#"

Re: He got 1%, we can't hire him

#202
I can see how the candidate conversation with his family was, afterwards.

- Did they hire you? - No, mom, I bombed the psycho exam. - But the developers, the liked you? - Oh, yeah, the technical team was ecstatic with me. They even told me that I was their favorite candidate. -So what happened? Did they change their mind? - Oh no, mom. The HR person disagreed with them, so they accepted the judgment of the HR person and dropped me. - And the developers, your supposed team, stayed silent through all this? - Well, they asked HR if I could do the psycho exam once more. And that was that. - Son, you don’t want to work in a place where they keep quiet and silent on things that matter to them. You are better off anywhere else.

Re: He got 1%, we can't hire him

#203
I think the bigger injustice is that these sorts of tests are a sham. It is a bogus product oversold to HR managers for insane prices and no evidence of benefit. As far as I am concerned, if a prospective employer were to put one of these tests in front of me, I would lose interest in working for said company.

Re: He got 1%, we can't hire him

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Ok, I'll play the Grammar Nazi Troll (On topic, since native level English was relevant in the story :-) )

Interesting article, but you make a bad impression when you write with high school level grammar.

"Me" is a sentence object; "I" is the subject. You did it three times, which is more than just a slip.

Re: He got 1%, we can't hire him

#205
post #14

Improving a company 101: * Get rid of HR people. * Profit.

Step 3: Grow, and attract some parasitic employees Step 4: Lose a trivial discrimination / disability / wrongful termination suit because you didn't keep the right paperwork.

Companies should lose discrimination / disability / wrongful termination lawsuits. HR's purpose is to get businesses off the hook for these crimes. Maybe you're thinking about it as an actual or theoretical startup owner, where you don't want to get in trouble. I can understand that. But people are more important than businesses and any business that abuses people deserves to be shut down.

Re: He got 1%, we can't hire him

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post #26

Thought experiment: For those running companies and hiring people. Would you take the time to occasionally run your interview processes over your existing employees? I'm not talking about involving them, I mean actually putting them through it. It would be one way to sanity-check that the process is selecting for the things you want from those coming from outside . As a company grows, the non-technical systems and po…

Why start with the interview? Try to find the job listing and submit a resume. Then ask yourself if that was a good use of your time. This part of the process is horribly broken for a lot of employers and they don't even know it.

Re: He got 1%, we can't hire him

#207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trivial? I've seen business go bust as a result of this sort of negligence. BTW, suing for wrong doing is NOT parasitic. Its often the only recourse avaliable with bad employers

The point I was trying to make was that with a good, professional HR folks, your company will avoid stupid mistakes that can become very expensive when dealing with an employee who knows how to work the system to their advantage. One of the folks who worked for me several years back had complaints filed against her by an employee whom she had woken up from a dead sleep during the day a few times. (The employee was wo…

Also to make an unfair point, that's Canada for you.

Re: He got 1%, we can't hire him

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My supervisor recently asked that my compensation be increased; so I got a weird phone call from the HR person where she just wanted me to know that she and the senior management knew I had been arrested a long time ago. But she conceded that she did not tell my supervisor; because well I was found not guilty in court. wtf.

Re: He got 1%, we can't hire him

#209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... IQ is supposed to be a normal distribution, ">= 130" === "3 sigma above the mean," i.e. top 0.1%. (bearing in mind that the test is inescapably biased towards people with our background - US/UK/etc, certainly English speaking, probably university educated.)

To be fair, I wasn't university educated at 9, when I took my first tests, although I was born in the US and spoke English.

fair point indeed - the tests are highly weighted (and thus rather unsatisfactory - the skewing reduces the resolution of the test, if you like) for young people.

Re: He got 1%, we can't hire him

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post #14

Improving a company 101: * Get rid of HR people. * Profit.

On the contrary, it's not the personnel department in this case that needed firing, it's the senior management. The personnel department performs a necessary function in dealing with the legal nightmares that come with hiring people. They must not, however, be given authority over who to hire and fire. Senior management, in giving the personnel department such authority, botched their own job.

They must not, however, be given authority over who to hire and fire

It's not obvious to me that this is what actually happened here.

I worked for many years at an organisation that had a similar policy - if I wanted to hire someone that the psych evaluation had flagged as no-hire, then I needed the approval of my boss's boss.

HR didn't invent that policy on their own. They recommended it to the CEO/Management Team because they saw the number of bad hires that were coming up where the hiring manager ignored the psych eval and then all the issues that the eval predicted came true.

I didn't love the rule - particularly when the issue was something like this person you're trying to hire for a relatively boring entry level role doesn't have a lot of ambition or initiative - but it was a specific response to an identified problem. Perhaps the wrong response, perhaps not, I'm still not sure.

But what it wasn't, was an HR dept that set their own rules. Their authority was purely to enforce the CEO's decisions on hiring policy.

Because the author of this article doesn't seem to know much about the origin/nature of the policy in his organisation, it's hard to tell whether he ran into the CEO's rule, or HR's rule.

The decision to give the test in English to someone who wasn't a native English speaker is a mistake, but it might be the candidate's mistake.

My organisation gave candidates the choice of language in which to take the test, and strongly advised them to take it in their native language. Every so often we'd see someone who didn't listen to that (possibly because they didn't want us to think that they weren't confident in their english skills) and it showed.

Based on the information provided in the blog post, I'm still not sure whether the wrong decision was made or not. There were clearly mistakes in the process, but we don't know who made them, and there's no way to know whether the psych eval was accurate or not since the hire never went ahead.

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