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Agreed, I opt-out every time I can. This gives me a chance to talk to the TSA agent. This puts human faces on the, typically, blurry screen of human mass. When they ask why I opt-out, I explain about the numerous times I have filled out the comment cards mentioning the real danger of cataracts because you don't tell people to close their eyes. Explain that my engineering background fully understands both the x-ray an…

Can you elaborate on the risk to eyes? I've not heard about this, and Wikipedia doesn't mention it, either for mm-wave or backscatter (I hadn't even realised there were two different technologies in use until now). What kind of risk level are we talking about? Do your eyelids offer any real protection against it?

I'd also like to know.

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I'd also add that the three worst travel experiences I've ever had were: immigration at Paris Charles de Gaulle Airport, anything at all London-Heathrow, immigration at Toronto Pearson. Schiphol, El Prat, Marco Polo, Dublin, da Vinci, Kloten and Munich get me in and out without any fuss at all. Though security at Schiphol was about what you'd contend with at Dulles. Domodedovo and Koltsovo are very mediocre and busy,…

immigration at Toronto Pearson I'm kind of scratching my head here, because that doesn't jive with my experiences (and I do have plenty of experience of entering Canada there as a non-Canadian -- in fact, I've done it twice in the past month). Some times of day the lines are a bit longer than others, but I just don't know of anything else that I'd consider to be bad about it.

I hope it's better recently. I've only been through Toronto Pearson twice and it was a royal screw up each time: luggage for my entire plane was sent to the wrong area and nobody knew where it was, it took 3 hours to figure it out thus missing connecting flights for 300 people, harassing immigration officers as we tried to make alternate flight arrangements because it was a no cell phone area (where were we supposed to go?), customs hand searched my bags both times and on and on.

I've since decided not to fly into North America via Toronto from now on it was so bad.

I dearly love my Canadian neighbors so I hope they've since straightened it out.

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As an international traveler that for some reason ends up arriving in Germany Sundays, let me assure you, it sucks to high heaven that I can't get something to eat or drink easily.

Restaurants, bakeries, gas stations, and everything at airports or train stations is open on sundays in Germany.

Last time I went to Germany was...2009? I grabbed something to go at the airport and hit the road for my destination in central Bavaria. After I checked into my hotel, I hit six entire towns where everything was closed. It was around 6-7pm on a Sunday. Which is a hugely popular eating out time for families in the States. I finally found a Kebab place that was open and stuffed myself to the gills I was so starved. The rest of the week was perfectly fine. The next Sunday? Same thing, only I made sure to have a couple pre-made sandwiches in my hotel room and some breakfast meats I stored in the fridge from breakfast the previous day.

As a traveler, Germany on Sundays simply sucks.

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post #106

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As an international traveler that for some reason ends up arriving in Germany Sundays, let me assure you, it sucks to high heaven that I can't get something to eat or drink easily.

Where are you having these problems? International travellers tend to arrive by plane or train (as Derbasti says), you can buy something from there. Or from a restaurant. The only problem you would have is with supermarkets away from the train station or airport.

The Middle of Bavaria. Of course the airport had food. But I was 2 and a half hours away from an airport by autobahn. Every restaurant for dozens of kilometers around was closed.

I asked my hotelier about it and he just shrugged and told me where to get some kebab three towns over.

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post #102

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I'd also add that the three worst travel experiences I've ever had were: immigration at Paris Charles de Gaulle Airport, anything at all London-Heathrow, immigration at Toronto Pearson. Schiphol, El Prat, Marco Polo, Dublin, da Vinci, Kloten and Munich get me in and out without any fuss at all. Though security at Schiphol was about what you'd contend with at Dulles. Domodedovo and Koltsovo are very mediocre and busy,…

I'll agree with 2 of your 3 worst travel experiences only because I haven't experienced one of them personally, but for the other two, I agree 100% The funny thing is, in CDG, what was bad was the immigration exit control. Entry was a breeze and I was asked exactly zero questions even having presented a non-EU passport.

The problems I've had at CDG were in entry control. 4 or 5 jumbo jets disgorging in-bound passengers at the same time all to be routed through a single immigration officer. Sure there's a ton of booths, but only one officer. I think they've both been mid-afternoon Saturday arrivals.

One time I think I timed it at around 2 and a half hours to get processed. No particular questions, just the usual look at the passport, look at you, stamp off you go. But there were probably a thousand people passing through the control point.

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true. So is the rest of the world. We are just lacking in the political correctness department.

..and Russians are just putting what you are lacking into a law.

I think that Russia today is closer in terms of crazy laws they put in place to the US than to Poland.

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Which part of Eastern Europe? I don't know the whole Eastern Europe really well but speaking for the Czech Republic (where I was born) I would say exactly the opposite is true at least when we are talking about tolerance to homosexuality... which might be related to the fact that unlike in the US or UK, religion has practically no influence here. I base this mostly on what I see around me but I just tried to quickly…

I'd say people in Eastern Europe are quite used to despising Jews. Also, if you are black or Hindu or Pakistani in Czech or Poland, you will notice. Homophobes, well, not sure how it's in Czech Republic, but say Poland makes Bible Belt look like a bunch of agnostic wusses.

I'm dual Polish/US citizen. Yes, that's true. However, you need to adjust for cultural differences. I.e. in the US people in general smile to you and pretend they don't mind you're gay. But then, Prop 8 comes up in "liberal" CA, and what happens? Yeah, right liberal. ;-)

You see, the US culture is very, very fake. Americans are fake. They'll smile in your face, tell you how much they love you, and then talk sht about you behind your back and hate just as much as a stereotypical Pole will. The only difference is that in Poland people will tell you stuff in your face while in the US it is all love, sensitivity, smiles and roses and everybody is just trained to talk the talk. But they never walk the walk. The problem with Poles is they had enough communists telling them what to say to be ignorant to the whole political correctness thing.

My guess is that if we could get into people's heads you would see they think probably the same stuff in both places. When for that example they see a gay couple kissing in public. The difference is that in the US they will pretend they're fine with it (and then show you their hate when voting), while in Poland - yeah - they'll openly tell you what they think about you.

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Non-American here. Can someone point me to what exactly happens if you opt-out of these screenings? What happens on this 'opt-out floor-mat of shame'? I'm asking out of pure curiosity and prefer not to search those keywords and get added to some list and have an eye-in-the-sky suddenly trained on me. It is completely understandable if you choose not to answer this question. Thanks for reading, though. :)

You get pulled aside while the agent manning the scanner yells for a "male/female assist" (depending on your sex). It takes somewhere between 30 seconds and 30 minutes for them to find someone to grope you.

You're then taken around the scanner, asked to identify (but not touch) your luggage. They pick up your luggage, lead you over to a screening area (which is in public view; they give you the option of a private patdown. I always elect for the public one, as I want people to see and question what's going on), explain their procedure, have you pose as though you're being crucified, and give you a very thorough groping which includes putting their fingers into your waistband and feeling your junk and buttocks with the backs of their hands. They then swab your luggage and their gloves (with which they have just groped you) and put it in an explosives detector. If the machine doesn't find anything, you're free to go. If it does, you're pulled into a small room and given an even more thorough search. The last time I flew out of LGA, I was subjected to this secondary search; the agent said it was probably alerting on the sunscreen I'd put on the day before.

The second search came up clean, but I was extremely amused to find that the room they searched me in was the room in which they kept their 5-gallon buckets of confiscated cigarette lighters. I was left alone in this room - with my luggage, past the security checkpoint - while the agent ran his second explosives test. I didn't do anything untoward, but man, if I was a bad guy it would have been trivial to stuff my bags with a bunch of containers holding flammable liquids.

I don't get hassled all that much when I opt out, but I'm also extremely white. I imagine that would be very different if I were brown and/or had a foreign accent.

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This disheartens me but thank you for your effort. We know the TSA is already on buses and trains. I think more and more areas are going to be deemed "4th amendment free" zones (schools, airports, football games, buses, trains, 100 miles within a border, cars and the internet to some degree).

If we can get even 10% of the people to opt out and waste their time the system will begin to collapse. Keep fighting, keeping being a pain. They can't do a pat down on 10% of the passengers.

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Other forms of transport, such as trains, don't have even a tiny fraction of the level of security that planes have, and if anything are a more effective terror target than a bomb on a plane (I would say that the terrorists got far more publicity out of the 7/7 bombings in London than they did out of Lockerbie) - I strolled around two of the busiest stations in London for a couple of hours on Saturday, and saw a sing…

I was wandering the same and came to conclusion that these security measures are not for our safety but the safety of our ruling elite. How often can you see a prime minister in a subway? But they often take commercial flights. And they never face such humiliating checks as we do. P.S Is there anybody who can explain me why 5x100ml bottles are safer than one 0.5l?

Safety of their commercial investments. As has been said, the top tier fly privately.
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