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Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by ubercore »

qwerty_asdf wrote: post #71
spodek wrote: post #9

Here is the actual map, which you can zoom into, scroll, pan, explore your neighborhood, etc. -- http://demographics.coopercenter.org/DotMap/index.html EDIT: Exploring, I see the island I live on -- Manhattan -- has the four main dot colors well represented, though mainly in blocks. The main mixing is between whites and Asians and between blacks and Hispanics. Notably parts of the Upper West Side, East Village/Lower…

The website mentions extracting "308,745,538 observations" (21 GB in size) and transforming it to some custom CSV files, for processing via Java. I don't see any of the Java code on GitHub. ...he mentions use of a summary file, "SF1", and there's some kind of PDF here: --> http://www.census.gov/prod/www/decennial.html#y2010tecdoc --> http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/doc/sf1.pdf It's more or less, a user manual for…

I have some admittedly old Python code to work with Census data here: https://github.com/peterlandry/django-census

The small talk I gave introducing python geeks to census data is here: http://files.meetup.com/3119472/census%20data%20for%20python...

Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by jlgreco »

VladRussian2 wrote: post #135
ajross wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The English language word "segregation" means something like "a multi-modal spacial distribution". But the most common (and very well understood by anyone educated here) use of that word is to describe the regime of laws in the US south designed to prevent racial interraction and preserve white priviledge. Basically: it means something very similar to "apartheid", which is another word that probably had a neutral mea…

yes, segregation-by-law doesn't exist anymore in the USA (personal preferences of police officers in LA aside), yet there is a phenomenon of poor black and hispanic kids in Oakland going to school which is predominantly attended only by other poor black and hispanic kids. Segregation-by-de-facto-conditions-of-life?

Segregation in common English, at least to my ears, implies some degree of malicious intent. We don't have laws that do this anymore, but there are other possibilities such as racist real estate agents, or the 'strategic' placement of highways between neighborhoods (see Chicago, from what I understand).

Your usage is technically correct, but I think it carries an implication that is not necessarily supported.

Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by bostonvaulter2 »

simias wrote: post #2

I feel like you would get a similar result if you did a map of Paris or other big european cities, I'm not sure it's an american thing. I think over here we just don't like/can't compile that kind of racial data. I would be more interested in counter-examples: cities were the melting pot is the rule.

Honolulu would count in my opinion, which is partially because I would break out "Asian" into at least Japanese, Chinese, Filipino, and other Asian. Even without that breakdown Honolulu doesn't have any majority (although Asian is really close at 46%). And 19.93% of people with two or more races (compared to 4.7% for SF and 3.9% for Boston)

Map: http://i.imgur.com/Z0X8Prs.jpg

A little hard to see from the map but although Asian is obviously predominant, the other races are sprinkled throughout besides for a few exceptions: a rich area in the bottom right and a few military bases/housing which have much higher white/black and very little asian.

Demographics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honolulu_County,_Hawaii#Demogra...

Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by [deleted] »

jessedhillon wrote: post #137
JPKab wrote: post #114

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You do not know me, and I resent your implication that my statements were assembled from soundbites. At no point did I say anything remotely like what you interpreted. I don't at all think "the Blacks" are blaming everyone else, and I said no such thing. You have clearly made assumptions about me based on me being a "white southern male" and judged my statements based on your own caricatures. If I'm the racist you ac…

Err, neither am I white nor a stranger to black people. Spending the night with one, or marrying one, doesn't make you less racist. What you were writing is very patronizing and sounds uninformed. You can spend your whole life around people and still have no clue what their lives are really about. I mean, to trot out the "seven times" figure with no context and expect us to treat it like it provides justification for…

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Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by ris »

icecreampain wrote: post #3
simias wrote: post #2

I feel like you would get a similar result if you did a map of Paris or other big european cities, I'm not sure it's an american thing. I think over here we just don't like/can't compile that kind of racial data. I would be more interested in counter-examples: cities were the melting pot is the rule.

Making race maps in Europe would get you shot, your family hanged and all your friends deemed social outcasts forever. For example: the Swedish crime prevention board (BRÅ) no longer publish crime statistics containing ethnic background information. They stopped a few years ago (2006) when the PC media found out that africans and arabs were way, way over-represented in all crime categories. This is due to political c…

"Making race maps in Europe would get you shot, your family hanged and all your friends deemed social outcasts forever."

My heart bleeds for you persecuted middle class whites. Oh, the pain and injustice you must endure!

Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by philwelch »

noir_lord wrote: post #10
icecreampain wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Making race maps in Europe would get you shot, your family hanged and all your friends deemed social outcasts forever. For example: the Swedish crime prevention board (BRÅ) no longer publish crime statistics containing ethnic background information. They stopped a few years ago (2006) when the PC media found out that africans and arabs were way, way over-represented in all crime categories. This is due to political c…

You can go too far from reality with political correctness but you can go just as far in the other direction with the "lack" of political correctness. The US has a much higher tolerance for what in Europe would be considered pretty blatant racism. I think that Political Correctness for the most part says we should treat everyone equally whether we like them or not which is the rational approach as I'm sure there are…

> The US has a much higher tolerance for what in Europe would be considered pretty blatant racism.

Really? Because it always seemed the other way around to me--Europe lacks the strong taboos against overt racism that America has evolved. Americans are crypto-racist, but they don't share the shamelessness Europeans seem to have when they show up to football stadiums and make monkey noises at African players or chant "Hamas, Hamas, Jews to the gas" when playing a "Jewish" club. That kind of thing happens in countries like Spain, Italy and Holland but would be unthinkable in the United States.

Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by newnewnew »

jessedhillon wrote: post #93
btrautsc wrote: post #76

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as a white male who grew up in the south, thank you for writing this intelligently and highlighting these issues. its not a race problem, its a cultural problem. Political Correctness prevents us from collectively helping the predominantly black victims of a large sub-culture of black America that celebrates crime, dehumanizes women and gays, views educational/career achievement as betrayal of black identity, and tol…

Ah yes, such courage. No white southern male has ever had the daring to cobble together soundbite-derived factoids and unabashed generalizations into a complete theory about how everything could be fixed if The Blacks would just stop blaming everyone else and hiding from The Facts. This is certainly the first time I've seen it.

The facts are striking, and surprisingly unknown[1]. For example, just 1% of the US population commits 27% of the murder. Can you guess which demographic group that is?

Can you imagine a politician giving a speech about that?

[1] http://takimag.com/article/guns_and_race_steve_sailer/print

Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by newnewnew »

bdunbar wrote: post #85
guard-of-terra wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Impoverished communities are a problem here. For some reason whether you have a community of muslims or africans, it happens to be impoverished. On the other hand, if you have a community of asians or western europeans, it doesn't. That's exactly the problem parent is trying to convey. It's not that africans are inherently criminal, it's just that they have dangerous group dynamics.

> On the other hand, if you have a community of asians or western europeans, it doesn't. I might be mis-understanding the context here: I've been to a few impoverished communities composed of 98% descendants of Western Europeans. Think: white trash.

And they commit only a fraction of the amount of crime of their black counter-parts: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6279991

Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by bostonpete »

jlgreco wrote: post #142
VladRussian2 wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes, segregation-by-law doesn't exist anymore in the USA (personal preferences of police officers in LA aside), yet there is a phenomenon of poor black and hispanic kids in Oakland going to school which is predominantly attended only by other poor black and hispanic kids. Segregation-by-de-facto-conditions-of-life?

Segregation in common English, at least to my ears, implies some degree of malicious intent. We don't have laws that do this anymore, but there are other possibilities such as racist real estate agents, or the 'strategic' placement of highways between neighborhoods (see Chicago, from what I understand). Your usage is technically correct, but I think it carries an implication that is not necessarily supported.

I dunno -- there's a lot of talk of self-segregation in the last decade or two. I think that gets lumped in with general segregation in this day and age (certainly it didn't 50 years ago), and I don't think that form of segregation implies any malicious intent.
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