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Detained in the US for “Visiting Thailand Too Much”

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Re: Detained in the US for “Visiting Thailand Too Much”

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This is a type of "behavioral profiling". They take you on a random walk down a conversation tree, and unless you're a very good liar, it will be difficult for you to answer the questions without delays, inconsistencies or other signs of prevarication. It's a common claim around here that airport security is mostly theater and that El Al does it right. But El Al uses behavioral profiling, and as you point out, that c…

> it will be difficult for you to answer the questions without delays, inconsistencies or other signs of prevarication. What if I'm a little absent minded and I already have a hard time answering without delays and inconsistencies?

Are you arguing that behavioral profiling is useless or that it's not perfect?

The classification technique goes beyond just watching how fast you answer: It's a skill that takes training and practice, but can be extremely effective, which is why the Israelis and U.S. ICE use it.

Re: Detained in the US for “Visiting Thailand Too Much”

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Which one? Between .ch and one of the surrounding countries? Between any two Schengen countries? Between a Schengen country and a non-Schengen country? What kind? On an airfield, a shipping port or a land border? How are you moving? With a vehicle or just you? Who are you? A Citizen of a Schengen country? A Citizen of the EU? A Citizen of the United States, Canada, Japan, Australia or New-Zealand? A Citizen of anothe…

As an example of a really porous border, the German/Swiss border. I used to live right at it (there are 3 bridges in my town leading into switzerland). There's one which you can only walk/bike over which used to have a border control which is now deserted. The other 2 ones have border controls, but they seem to be solely tasked with checking whether cars are allowed to drive in switzerland (road fees), whether swiss…

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Re: Detained in the US for “Visiting Thailand Too Much”

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> I've yet to see a border that I liked The one at Point Roberts is a bit of a hoot: http://blog.rongarret.info/2011/08/three-geopolitical-odditi...

https://maps.google.com/?ll=51.30615,3.609695&spn=0.283743,0... Another one like that. Only since the tunnel is open can you get to this part of NL without going through Belgium first (or take a boat).

http://i2.wp.com/goodmorningblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013...

A border going through a house:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-44CWQkimcko/UeemC9NcL0I/A...

Re: Detained in the US for “Visiting Thailand Too Much”

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Are you some authority appointed to correct the misbehavior of your inferiors? No. If you came away with that impression then you may have misread my intent. My stance is that mean people deserve to live an unhappy life. No more. Nice people, as noted in the comment you responded to, receive no such treatment from me. Mean people get a fictionalized account of a person leading a much better life than themselves, deli…

Do you think for a moment about what that person had to put up with for the hours before you arrived that day, or will continue to deal with after you leave? Is it not enough that you've managed to retire as a young man and lounge on the beaches of Thailand, do you also need to be treated with smiles and deference by people who still have to go to work every day? They have a job to do, and your abuse isn't going to h…

"I'm rude because I've had a shitty day" isn't a good excuse.

I think Jason made the mistake of not clarifying in his comment that he only does this to agents who are rude to him first. Now his comment has turned into a new story by itself with a lot of angry comments.

I feel sorry for Jason because he seems like a nice guy who just didn't properly proofread his comment before posting and he's now getting a huge ass kicking as a result.

Re: Detained in the US for “Visiting Thailand Too Much”

#125

For all the mean things that border control agents get away with every day, I personally enjoy "Returning From Thailand" as my little opportunity to even the score a bit. "How long have you been gone?" "I don't know. A year, give or take? Who keeps track?" "Which countries did you visit while you were away? Your landing card just says 'most of them'" "Well probably not most of them really, but definitely enough not t…

I don't think I've read a more privileged, arrogant, myopic comment in a very long time. In what world is it your role to judge a person for going to work every day to feed their family? "Basically, it's your opportunity to remind them that their job is to sit in a little cube talking to people who are actually out there leading exciting lives." I'm trying not to read that sentence in the voice of a young English ari…

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Re: Detained in the US for “Visiting Thailand Too Much”

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For all the mean things that border control agents get away with every day, I personally enjoy "Returning From Thailand" as my little opportunity to even the score a bit. "How long have you been gone?" "I don't know. A year, give or take? Who keeps track?" "Which countries did you visit while you were away? Your landing card just says 'most of them'" "Well probably not most of them really, but definitely enough not t…

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Re: Detained in the US for “Visiting Thailand Too Much”

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For all the mean things that border control agents get away with every day, I personally enjoy "Returning From Thailand" as my little opportunity to even the score a bit. "How long have you been gone?" "I don't know. A year, give or take? Who keeps track?" "Which countries did you visit while you were away? Your landing card just says 'most of them'" "Well probably not most of them really, but definitely enough not t…

I don't think I've read a more privileged, arrogant, myopic comment in a very long time. In what world is it your role to judge a person for going to work every day to feed their family? "Basically, it's your opportunity to remind them that their job is to sit in a little cube talking to people who are actually out there leading exciting lives." I'm trying not to read that sentence in the voice of a young English ari…

I realize that Jason Kester believes the customs officials are offended when he gloats about his globetrotting, but you know, they probably aren't. The likelihood is that they hear stuff like this dozens of times a day from happy, excited people who have just come home from extended travels. "Oh, yeah," they think, "that's nice."

They're probably a little annoyed that Mr Kester has negligently not bothered to retain the first half of his ticket, failed to deep track of when he left or what countries he visited, and was too stupid to fill out the paperwork properly. They may even roll their eyes thinking he's a bit of a smelly pig not to have changed his shirt in over a month and wonder why he couldn't afford to have more than one.

I'm pretty sure they don't give a crap about his software company, or have any use for his product, either. They're probably pretty content in knowing they have the federally mandated power to just just glance over at the big guy off to the side and within three minutes, Mr Kester will be bent over a table in another room with a couple of rubberized fingers up his ass.

If Mr Kester thinks he's making customs officials feel small and unimportant because he has such an "exciting life", or that he's in some way "evening the score" by bragging about having been in the Far East for over a year, I must say that "this sort of treatment" is rather too subtle for thick-skinned customs staffers. They really couldn't care less where he's been or where he's going, as long as he isn't carrying any contraband.

If he really wanted to make them feel that they're so much worse off than he is, he'd have to add, "... unlike you, with your shitty, dead-end job, sitting in a little cube," or some similar direct comparison. But that would probably get him taken into the other room.

Finally, I'm willing to bet that the agents aren't regular readers of Hacker News, so they haven't seen Mr Kester's post. In this case, ignorance is bliss.

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