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Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by auctiontheory »

revelation wrote: post #84
k2enemy wrote: post #21

Thomas Schelling [0] has shown that even if your most preferred neighborhood is a perfect mix of races, it is a dynamically unstable equilibrium (assuming that if the balance tips one way or the other, you prefer it to tip towards your own race). That is, segregated neighborhoods are not necessarily a sign that people prefer segregation -- it is also a natural outcome when people want to live in a mixed neighborhood.…

Do people pick their dwelling by racial mix? I would expect this to be much more of a function of income and means.

Apparently you have never tried to "rent while black."

Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by newnewnew »

ihnorton wrote: post #82
JPKab wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps you and I have a different idea on what "Political Correctness" actually is. My view is that many mistake Scientifically Correct from Politically Correct. It is Scientifically Correct to say that there is very little difference, genetically, between Europeans, Asians, Africans, Latin Americans, etc. It also happens to be Politically Correct. However, it is also Scientifically Correct to say that there are hug…

Citing violent crime statistics as proof of a "cultural problem" without any regressors is not particularly helpful. What are the relevant demography-adjusted statistics? There are certainly some (edit: sub-)cultural aspects, but every culture has some aspects of the negative traits you cite (e.g. most people tend to disdain out-group achievement). These traits are often drastically accentuated by poverty. In the cas…

The difference in criminal activity between blacks and other American subgroups is so large that it is hard to imagine any regressions making much of a difference. Black males are 6% of the population and commit 53% of the murders, more than the other 94% of the population combined. Keep in mind that there are more poor whites than total blacks in the country, but the black crime numbers are higher than the total white crime numbers.

Finding the root causes of the disparity would be a fascinating sociological challenge, if we had the courage to pursue it.

Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by chongli »

noir_lord wrote: post #10
icecreampain wrote: post #3

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Making race maps in Europe would get you shot, your family hanged and all your friends deemed social outcasts forever. For example: the Swedish crime prevention board (BRÅ) no longer publish crime statistics containing ethnic background information. They stopped a few years ago (2006) when the PC media found out that africans and arabs were way, way over-represented in all crime categories. This is due to political c…

You can go too far from reality with political correctness but you can go just as far in the other direction with the "lack" of political correctness. The US has a much higher tolerance for what in Europe would be considered pretty blatant racism. I think that Political Correctness for the most part says we should treat everyone equally whether we like them or not which is the rational approach as I'm sure there are…

The US has a much higher tolerance for what in Europe would be considered pretty blatant racism.

Maybe in some spheres but not all. Look at sports, for example. Outright racism by fans against athletes is unheard of in North America whereas it seems pretty common in Europe. Perhaps my perception is biased by the media reporting on it?

Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by tsotha »

rmc wrote: post #115
tsotha wrote: post #112

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>In fact EU law claims "The European Union rejects theories which attempt to determine the existence of separate human races."[1], and anti-racism law talks about "racial or ethnic origins"[1] Very clever. "We'll deal with the subject by pretending it doesn't exist!"

Oh they don't pretend it doesn't exist. The link is, effectively an EU anti-racism law. It's just that it's not based on biological race , but on "racial or ethnic origin".

I can see ethnic origin not being biological, but how can racial origin and biological race be different things?

Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by VladRussian2 »

ajross wrote: post #129
VladRussian2 wrote: post #107

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>Yes, this is a "map of America's racial distribution". Calling it a "map of America's racial segregation" means someone is pushing a political agenda. isn't racial segregation is a very significantly skewed racial distribution? >This doesn't mean that there is no race-based component in deciding where to live. It just means that, as the Schelling model demonstrates, you can't tell how much there is by looking at how…

The English language word "segregation" means something like "a multi-modal spacial distribution". But the most common (and very well understood by anyone educated here) use of that word is to describe the regime of laws in the US south designed to prevent racial interraction and preserve white priviledge. Basically: it means something very similar to "apartheid", which is another word that probably had a neutral mea…

yes, segregation-by-law doesn't exist anymore in the USA (personal preferences of police officers in LA aside), yet there is a phenomenon of poor black and hispanic kids in Oakland going to school which is predominantly attended only by other poor black and hispanic kids. Segregation-by-de-facto-conditions-of-life?

Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by HeyLaughingBoy »

jessedhillon wrote: post #91
Anechoic wrote: post #70

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is mainly a phenomenon found in a sub-culture of black America. You only have to watch prime-time television to know that phenomenon is common amongst many demographics. Anyone who has been immersed in an African-American community for any length of time can tell you this. I'm black. I went to an upper-class mostly-white private school, and there was some pressure to "fail" but it came from both whites and blacks. On…

I'm black. Holy shit, sir. I salute your patience and compassion as you dealt with this self-appointed expert on race relations. Your capacity for longsuffering is legendary, and if you are ever in the Bay Area, please contact me. Seriously. I would buy you a keg of beer.

That's a bit much, don't you think? FWIW, I'm also black and I agree with JPKab more than I do with Anechoic probably because his experiences (second-hand or otherwise) are closer to mine. Where does that get us?

They both make valid points, likely because they're coming at the issue from different directions. Listen to them both and balance your viewpoint but try to be a bit less snarky.

Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by jessedhillon »

JPKab wrote: post #114
jessedhillon wrote: post #93

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Ah yes, such courage. No white southern male has ever had the daring to cobble together soundbite-derived factoids and unabashed generalizations into a complete theory about how everything could be fixed if The Blacks would just stop blaming everyone else and hiding from The Facts. This is certainly the first time I've seen it.

You do not know me, and I resent your implication that my statements were assembled from soundbites. At no point did I say anything remotely like what you interpreted. I don't at all think "the Blacks" are blaming everyone else, and I said no such thing. You have clearly made assumptions about me based on me being a "white southern male" and judged my statements based on your own caricatures. If I'm the racist you ac…

Err, neither am I white nor a stranger to black people. Spending the night with one, or marrying one, doesn't make you less racist. What you were writing is very patronizing and sounds uninformed. You can spend your whole life around people and still have no clue what their lives are really about.

I mean, to trot out the "seven times" figure with no context and expect us to treat it like it provides justification for anything is a gross misapplication of statistics.

I also was not raised in the suburbs, but a place that is rural, white and very hostile to anyone who isn't.

EDIT: Moreover, the mere fact that you would trot out the existence of your Asian wife as proof of your non-racism against blacks is proof enough. It's demonstrative of your us-them mindset: see, you can't be racist, you're married to one of them. Nevermind that Asians are not blacks -- it's just that they're not white, and you can't be racist if you like a non-white, right?

(Hint: not right)

Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by bostonvaulter2 »

auctiontheory wrote: post #131
revelation wrote: post #84

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Do people pick their dwelling by racial mix? I would expect this to be much more of a function of income and means.

Apparently you have never tried to "rent while black."

Can you expound upon that? What exactly happens?

Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by newnewnew »

rayiner wrote: post #81
rmc wrote: post #79

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As far as I can tell, most European cities are predominantly white This is both true, and yet misleading and hence false. Yes, by US racial/ethnic definitions the majority of european cities are majority 'white'. But we don't use the US categories (of white/black/latino/etc.) here in EU because it's not accurate. In fact EU law claims "The European Union rejects theories which attempt to determine the existence of se…

That's certainly a fair point, but would you say that there are axes of diversity in European cities that have properties similar to racial delineations in the U.S.? That is to say, political tensions arising from economic disparity as well as strong cohesion within distinct social groups? I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of European social conflict, but I don't imagine there is a lot of catholic versus protest…

In London, the Lee Rigby murder and the flash mob violence has brought tensions between English and immigrants to the headlines.
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