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Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by jessedhillon »

Anechoic wrote: post #70
JPKab wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"This sentence would be equally true without the word "black." Political correctness indeed." Sorry, but the phenomenon of being accused of betraying your cultural identity by peers if you succeed in school and get a job is mainly a phenomenon found in a sub-culture of black America. Anyone who has been immersed in an African-American community for any length of time can tell you this. The typical insult among school…

is mainly a phenomenon found in a sub-culture of black America. You only have to watch prime-time television to know that phenomenon is common amongst many demographics. Anyone who has been immersed in an African-American community for any length of time can tell you this. I'm black. I went to an upper-class mostly-white private school, and there was some pressure to "fail" but it came from both whites and blacks. On…

I'm black.

Holy shit, sir. I salute your patience and compassion as you dealt with this self-appointed expert on race relations. Your capacity for longsuffering is legendary, and if you are ever in the Bay Area, please contact me.

Seriously.

I would buy you a keg of beer.

Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by throwaway_a »

btrautsc wrote: post #76
JPKab wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps you and I have a different idea on what "Political Correctness" actually is. My view is that many mistake Scientifically Correct from Politically Correct. It is Scientifically Correct to say that there is very little difference, genetically, between Europeans, Asians, Africans, Latin Americans, etc. It also happens to be Politically Correct. However, it is also Scientifically Correct to say that there are hug…

as a white male who grew up in the south, thank you for writing this intelligently and highlighting these issues. its not a race problem, its a cultural problem. Political Correctness prevents us from collectively helping the predominantly black victims of a large sub-culture of black America that celebrates crime, dehumanizes women and gays, views educational/career achievement as betrayal of black identity, and tol…

Here comes my throwaway account for opinions that I suspect sway _WAY OUT_ of HN's comfort zone but needs to be said. I think the term "black culture" is in itself a problem because it blames the victim. The term "culture" makes people think it's something that a group of people chose for themselves. "black culture" isn't the same as "asian culture" or "irish culture". This thing we're all calling "black culture" is the result of slavery and continued racism in America. These are people who had their identity(African culture) ripped from them and left in a world of suffering and oppression. The result is what you see today. If I had a magicwand that could go back in time and remove the whole slavery thing and today's casual & institutionalized racism, you wouldn't be seeing the problems black communities have today. At least it wouldn't be anymore than any other group.

Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by jessedhillon »

btrautsc wrote: post #76
JPKab wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps you and I have a different idea on what "Political Correctness" actually is. My view is that many mistake Scientifically Correct from Politically Correct. It is Scientifically Correct to say that there is very little difference, genetically, between Europeans, Asians, Africans, Latin Americans, etc. It also happens to be Politically Correct. However, it is also Scientifically Correct to say that there are hug…

as a white male who grew up in the south, thank you for writing this intelligently and highlighting these issues. its not a race problem, its a cultural problem. Political Correctness prevents us from collectively helping the predominantly black victims of a large sub-culture of black America that celebrates crime, dehumanizes women and gays, views educational/career achievement as betrayal of black identity, and tol…

Ah yes, such courage. No white southern male has ever had the daring to cobble together soundbite-derived factoids and unabashed generalizations into a complete theory about how everything could be fixed if The Blacks would just stop blaming everyone else and hiding from The Facts. This is certainly the first time I've seen it.

Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by jessedhillon »

throwaway_a wrote: post #92
btrautsc wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as a white male who grew up in the south, thank you for writing this intelligently and highlighting these issues. its not a race problem, its a cultural problem. Political Correctness prevents us from collectively helping the predominantly black victims of a large sub-culture of black America that celebrates crime, dehumanizes women and gays, views educational/career achievement as betrayal of black identity, and tol…

Here comes my throwaway account for opinions that I suspect sway _WAY OUT_ of HN's comfort zone but needs to be said. I think the term "black culture" is in itself a problem because it blames the victim. The term "culture" makes people think it's something that a group of people chose for themselves. "black culture" isn't the same as "asian culture" or "irish culture". This thing we're all calling "black culture" is…

It's a sad place where someone has to create a sock puppet to say "I think slavery had complicated, long-term cultural effects which are often dismissed without a second look, and I think they bear closer inspection."

Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by throwaway_a »

jessedhillon wrote: post #94
throwaway_a wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here comes my throwaway account for opinions that I suspect sway _WAY OUT_ of HN's comfort zone but needs to be said. I think the term "black culture" is in itself a problem because it blames the victim. The term "culture" makes people think it's something that a group of people chose for themselves. "black culture" isn't the same as "asian culture" or "irish culture". This thing we're all calling "black culture" is…

It's a sad place where someone has to create a sock puppet to say "I think slavery had complicated, long-term cultural effects which are often dismissed without a second look, and I think they bear closer inspection."

Indeed. Obama's speech speaks right to it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHBdZWbncXI

Everyone, including(maybe even especially) black americans, should watch this speech. Anyone who feels Obama is wrong after watching the video should closely examine themselves for why that is and what beliefs they carry that the speech conflicts with.

Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by Anechoic »

throwaway_a wrote: post #95
jessedhillon wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a sad place where someone has to create a sock puppet to say "I think slavery had complicated, long-term cultural effects which are often dismissed without a second look, and I think they bear closer inspection."

Indeed. Obama's speech speaks right to it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHBdZWbncXI Everyone, including(maybe even especially) black americans, should watch this speech. Anyone who feels Obama is wrong after watching the video should closely examine themselves for why that is and what beliefs they carry that the speech conflicts with.

Everyone, including(maybe even especially) black americans, should watch this speech

There is nothing in that speech which is not already common-knowledge or thoroughly discussed among blacks.

Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by michaelt »

revelation wrote: post #84
k2enemy wrote: post #21

Thomas Schelling [0] has shown that even if your most preferred neighborhood is a perfect mix of races, it is a dynamically unstable equilibrium (assuming that if the balance tips one way or the other, you prefer it to tip towards your own race). That is, segregated neighborhoods are not necessarily a sign that people prefer segregation -- it is also a natural outcome when people want to live in a mixed neighborhood.…

Do people pick their dwelling by racial mix? I would expect this to be much more of a function of income and means.

Obviously you can't pay more than your means, but the housing market has people bidding against one another for products that differ in dozens of different dimensions.

Me, maybe I'm willing to pay more for my favorite architectural style and off-road parking for my motorbike. Maybe you're starting a family, you'll pay more to live in an area with a quality public school, and a park where you can walk your dog. Another person might pay a premium for a safer neighborhood with lower crime rates and more local shops.

We all take our preferences, decide what we're willing to pay, and you outbid me because I wasn't willing to pay any premium for that public school (or whatever).

Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by throwaway_a »

Anechoic wrote: post #96
throwaway_a wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. Obama's speech speaks right to it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHBdZWbncXI Everyone, including(maybe even especially) black americans, should watch this speech. Anyone who feels Obama is wrong after watching the video should closely examine themselves for why that is and what beliefs they carry that the speech conflicts with.

Everyone, including(maybe even especially) black americans, should watch this speech There is nothing in that speech which is not already common-knowledge or thoroughly discussed among blacks.

True. At the least, it's just to let them know that the first black president understands their plight. That they're not inferior or prone to violence by birth(a few really do think that). That in itself is worth something I think. On a sidenote, the fact that my comments aren't getting downvoted shows that there's hope too. Maybe I didn't give HN enough credit and could have used my main HN account to post.

Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by GrantS »

Jgrubb wrote: post #17

That's hilarious, I was wondering if my hometown (ATL) would be broken down, and it's the second one. When I moved back there after college I wanted to do some sort of study of the racial segregation in that city. It's totally along that east-west axis, more precisely at Ponce De Leon Ave. All these upper-class streets that run through the nicest neighborhoods in north Atlanta even change their names as they cross ov…

Also from Atlanta here and I'm always most aware of this when riding MARTA to the airport. Once you get south of downtown, it becomes hard to ignore the strange fact that the only white people still on the train are those with luggage.

And in case it consoles you to know that others are living your dreams, I just had two donuts at the Krispy Kreme on Ponce earlier this morning -- in fact right around the time of your comment. They were delicious but I should really stop going so often.

Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by michaelt »

rayiner wrote: post #22
simias wrote: post #2

I feel like you would get a similar result if you did a map of Paris or other big european cities, I'm not sure it's an american thing. I think over here we just don't like/can't compile that kind of racial data. I would be more interested in counter-examples: cities were the melting pot is the rule.

The overriding trend in American cities is that whites will not live in predominantly black or hispanic neighborhoods.[1] But the reverse is generally not true. So you see much less segregation in predominantly white cities like Portland than in cities like Chicago that have an even mix of races, which have less segregation than predominantly black cities like Detroit or New Orleans. As far as I can tell, most Europe…

Here's a map of the UK displaying areas' most popular surnames: http://www.uncertaintyofidentity.com/GB_Names/Mapping.aspx

It's Smith and Jones almost everywhere, but in cities like London and Birmingham there are distinct groupings of Patel, Kaur, Begum etc.

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