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Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by qwerty_asdf »

spodek wrote: post #9

Here is the actual map, which you can zoom into, scroll, pan, explore your neighborhood, etc. -- http://demographics.coopercenter.org/DotMap/index.html EDIT: Exploring, I see the island I live on -- Manhattan -- has the four main dot colors well represented, though mainly in blocks. The main mixing is between whites and Asians and between blacks and Hispanics. Notably parts of the Upper West Side, East Village/Lower…

The website mentions extracting "308,745,538 observations" (21 GB in size) and transforming it to some custom CSV files, for processing via Java. I don't see any of the Java code on GitHub.

...he mentions use of a summary file, "SF1", and there's some kind of PDF here:

--> http://www.census.gov/prod/www/decennial.html#y2010tecdoc

--> http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/doc/sf1.pdf

It's more or less, a user manual for roughly 300 other tables, but where are they? Is the actual census data itself available freely, in detail?

I think this is it:

--> http://www2.census.gov/census_2010/04-Summary_File_1/

New York, as an example:

--> http://www2.census.gov/census_2010/04-Summary_File_1/New_Yor...

--> http://www2.census.gov/census_2010/04-Summary_File_1/New_Yor...

Is this the original, actual source data?

Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by drone »

barry-cotter wrote: post #23
noir_lord wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can go too far from reality with political correctness but you can go just as far in the other direction with the "lack" of political correctness. The US has a much higher tolerance for what in Europe would be considered pretty blatant racism. I think that Political Correctness for the most part says we should treat everyone equally whether we like them or not which is the rational approach as I'm sure there are…

The US has a much higher tolerance for what in Europe would be considered pretty blatant racism. Please expand. Nowhere in Europe has anything resembling the 4/5ths rule or Griggs vs Duke Power , no European country has a visible minority community as large as Blacks in the US, and no European country has a policy of discriminating on the basis of race in university admissions, to the best of my knowledge.

Not to mention, if The Golden Dawn tried to start a political party here, they would be laughed off the stage, not given 21 seats in the house.

I think the OP should point out to some actual studies about how much more blatantly racist Americans/America are/is than Europe/Europeans.

Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by btrautsc »

rayiner wrote: post #33
doktrin wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As far as I can tell, most European cities are predominantly white I think your impression is flawed. Many European cities are racially diverse and quite a few are segregated. Paris comes to mind as a particularly good example of both.

A city can be racially diverse and also predominantly white. London, for example, is a metropolitan, racially diverse city that is nonetheless 60% white. I'm not denying that there are European cities that are racially diverse. But every single U.S. city over a million people, and most of the cities between 500,000 and 1 million, are majority-minority, usually by a large margin (say 2:1). I think that's a phenomenon…

There is a lot of reality in this post that many people will never see/ understand - these phenomena that take place in cities across the US.

Also, the city population is only a part of the equation. Often the metro area skews significantly white (because of the suburbs) - which then stresses the balance more.

Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by icecreampain »

pygy_ wrote: post #49
icecreampain wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Making race maps in Europe would get you shot, your family hanged and all your friends deemed social outcasts forever. For example: the Swedish crime prevention board (BRÅ) no longer publish crime statistics containing ethnic background information. They stopped a few years ago (2006) when the PC media found out that africans and arabs were way, way over-represented in all crime categories. This is due to political c…

When you control for income and other social factors, it turns out that race is not a risk factor for committing crime.

Either (1) it's true for where you live or (2) you're lying.

Page 46 of BRÅs 1996 report (http://galnegunnarsblogg.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/bra-199...) says the following:

"Invandrares överrepresentation i brottslighet beror inte på en ogynnsam fördelning vad gäller kön, ålder eller bostadsort. Den beror inte heller på en generellt sett låg socioekonomisk status (mätt genom s.k. SEI-kod) i Sverige."

"Immigrants overrepresented in crime is not due to an unfavorable distribution in terms of gender, age or place of residence. It does not depend on the generally low socioeconomic status (as measured by the so-called SEI code) in Sweden."

And now it's your turn: citation needed.

Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by btrautsc »

JPKab wrote: post #34
noir_lord wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can go too far from reality with political correctness but you can go just as far in the other direction with the "lack" of political correctness. The US has a much higher tolerance for what in Europe would be considered pretty blatant racism. I think that Political Correctness for the most part says we should treat everyone equally whether we like them or not which is the rational approach as I'm sure there are…

Perhaps you and I have a different idea on what "Political Correctness" actually is. My view is that many mistake Scientifically Correct from Politically Correct. It is Scientifically Correct to say that there is very little difference, genetically, between Europeans, Asians, Africans, Latin Americans, etc. It also happens to be Politically Correct. However, it is also Scientifically Correct to say that there are hug…

as a white male who grew up in the south, thank you for writing this intelligently and highlighting these issues.

its not a race problem, its a cultural problem.

Political Correctness prevents us from collectively helping the predominantly black victims of a large sub-culture of black America that celebrates crime, dehumanizes women and gays, views educational/career achievement as betrayal of black identity, and tolerate men who willingly abandon their families.

Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by seszett »

hedgew wrote: post #67
sophacles wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you point to sources that answer any of these questions: * What mechanism does this racial separation take? * What sort of evidence shows that skin color or other ethnic identifiers in genetics are the thing that causes tribal separation vs them just serving as a simple proxy to more complicated factors? * What explanations of exigent factors are there... for example why are there black and hispanic republicans,…

> What mechanism does this racial separation take? It's not racial separation. It's all attraction in general. Like attracts like. Hackers tend to like other hackers. Race is simply one factor that affects us. Being aware of this can help you avoid racism. If you don't recognize that your brain tends to prefer people who are similar to you , you're more likely to accidentally discriminate others. > What sort of evide…

>It's all attraction in general. Like attracts like. Hackers tend to like other hackers.

What study did you find backing this? Actually, I have already read and heard the contrary, for exemple here is what one of the numerous articles on this subject[0] says:

>Heterosexual men and women with dissimilar genes are more likely to get married than people with a similar genetic heritage.

So it seems, on the contrary, that people genetically tend to want to live with people different from them. Except when they have a psychological aversion to them, in which case I believe we call that "xenophobia", which is usually synonym with "racism".

[0] http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-secret-to-find...

Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by cfesta9 »

This is a really cool map! I have a few questions about it though. Racial Segregation are very strong words to use when describing this map. I have lived in Chicago for my whole life. I have heard people say that Chicago is the most segregated city in the US. That line might be true. But when I look at this map it is very hard to draw the assumption that Chicago is incredibly segregated. Looking at this map you could easily say white people live here african american live here and asian / hispanic live here etc... But it is much deeper then the top overview. Chicago has a huge polish , german, irish community. I'm talking about people who have moved from their home country to live in the US. I notice a trend that when polish people move to chicago they move to where polish people live not any old "white" neighborhood they move to a place where they feel comfortable and have common ground. Never in my life have I or the city say white people need to live here and african american live here. There must be a reason that Chinese live on the south side Vietnamese live on the north side and Korean live on the further north side. Latino is the same. I forgot where i was going with this point. But I feel the way we see racial segregation is that some higher power says that we must not live next to each other. When in truth people want to live by their people.

Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by rmc »

rayiner wrote: post #22
simias wrote: post #2

I feel like you would get a similar result if you did a map of Paris or other big european cities, I'm not sure it's an american thing. I think over here we just don't like/can't compile that kind of racial data. I would be more interested in counter-examples: cities were the melting pot is the rule.

The overriding trend in American cities is that whites will not live in predominantly black or hispanic neighborhoods.[1] But the reverse is generally not true. So you see much less segregation in predominantly white cities like Portland than in cities like Chicago that have an even mix of races, which have less segregation than predominantly black cities like Detroit or New Orleans. As far as I can tell, most Europe…

As far as I can tell, most European cities are predominantly white

This is both true, and yet misleading and hence false.

Yes, by US racial/ethnic definitions the majority of european cities are majority 'white'. But we don't use the US categories (of white/black/latino/etc.) here in EU because it's not accurate. In fact EU law claims "The European Union rejects theories which attempt to determine the existence of separate human races."[1], and anti-racism law talks about "racial or ethnic origins"[1]

Let's take the UK and their main point of ethnic conflict, Belfast in Northern Ireland. Both the "nationalist/catholic" and "unionist/protestant" communities would be counted as "white" under US racial terminology, but they are 2 different ethnicies.

So yes, "most EU cities are white" by US standards, but by EU standards there's a lot of racial/ethnic mixing and conflict, including full on wars (look at what happened in Yugoslavia!)

[1] EU law on discrimination http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:...

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