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Re: Chromecast update breaks AllCast

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Post by ajross »

themstheones wrote: post #23
jlgreco wrote: post #13

If I were somebody with a Chromebook that still had ChromeOS installed, I would be very very concerned right now. If you don't control your device's software updates, then the device is not yours. It is as simple as that.

It's the same with android. They made adblock stop working several times, slowly tightening restrictions on it. And OS updates remove root, which will break a slew of apps. It doesn't feel like your device unless you install something like CM.

Android, however, has a large and vibrant (albeit poorly organized and highly confusing) community of open source distributions that aren't subject to this kind of nonsense. The Chromecast is still new and unhackable, though hopefully this will change.

Re: Chromecast update breaks AllCast

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Post by jlgreco »

smtddr wrote: post #21

Well, I don't agree with what Google is doing assuming it's intentional. But, 1)It's $35. I spend more than that on a week's worth of lunch. 2)I bet cyanogenmod will make an appearance. I'm just buying Chromecast for the hardware.

There is always going to be a cost comparison that can be used to belittle something. The classic is "less than x days of coffee." Next step up is apparently "less than x days of lunch." What is the next one, "less than your car insurance" perhaps? $50,000? That is less than some cars cost! $100,000,000? That is somewhere around ten shuttle launches! A several billion dollar shuttle program? Please, just check out these national debt numbers?

These types of price comparisons between unrelated things are almost always worthless. You could make me feel ripped off over two dollars; I sure as hell can feel ripped off over $35.

Re: Chromecast update breaks AllCast

#34

Post by devx »

ajross wrote: post #31
themstheones wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the same with android. They made adblock stop working several times, slowly tightening restrictions on it. And OS updates remove root, which will break a slew of apps. It doesn't feel like your device unless you install something like CM.

Android, however, has a large and vibrant (albeit poorly organized and highly confusing) community of open source distributions that aren't subject to this kind of nonsense. The Chromecast is still new and unhackable, though hopefully this will change.

I think I'm starting to see the writing on the wall for CyanogenMod. I can see one day Google going after them if they remove some functionality from their ROM's that Google really wants in, and their ROMs become used by say - tens of millions of people.

But Google would be really, incredibly stupid to do that. The Reader outrage will seem tiny compared to the outrage they will get if they mess with CyanogenMod, who's used by the most core users of Android, and most vocal ones in the Android community.

CyanogenMod also has a lot of good will with those users, while Google's good will is diminishing by the day. Jeff Jarvis said recently that Google has only done well when it has done stuff for the users, not against them. If I were Google's CEO I would imprint that in my brain before doing something really stupid in the future.

Re: Chromecast update breaks AllCast

#35

Post by markshepard »

lukesandberg wrote: post #28
markshepard wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think the intent of the post is to complain about SDK compatibility ? :)

I think he was saying that this is a case of Hanlon's razor[1]. i.e. this situation could be easily explained by simple api churn (and the fact that the OP was using an undocumented api), so it may not be appropriate to ascribe malice without evidence. [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor

I agree with your point.

The larger implication (not withstanding using documented or undocumented API) is violation of general assumption that Chromecast will be open and idie friendly than the Apple TV.

Even if the OP had used a documented API, the developer warning is clear that any and all API can be changed.

Re: Chromecast update breaks AllCast

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Post by untog »

devx wrote: post #34
ajross wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Android, however, has a large and vibrant (albeit poorly organized and highly confusing) community of open source distributions that aren't subject to this kind of nonsense. The Chromecast is still new and unhackable, though hopefully this will change.

I think I'm starting to see the writing on the wall for CyanogenMod. I can see one day Google going after them if they remove some functionality from their ROM's that Google really wants in, and their ROMs become used by say - tens of millions of people. But Google would be really, incredibly stupid to do that. The Reader outrage will seem tiny compared to the outrage they will get if they mess with CyanogenMod, who'…

I mean, you're saying you can see Google going after Cyanogenmod, then you list out the reasons it would be really stupid for them to do it. I think Google are aware of these reasons, too.

In all honesty, I do not think that Cyanogenmod is used by any more than a statistical blip of users, when the whole of Android is considered. I really doubt Google cares very much about these custom ROMs, and won't start caring until everyone starts flashing them on their phones. Which will not happen any time soon.

Re: Chromecast update breaks AllCast

#37

Post by gosub »

_nullandnull_ wrote: post #19
cygwin98 wrote: post #2

Is the new motto being Do Evil ?

No, but Newspeak is the official new language at Google.

Well newspeak[1] was created by Gilad Bracha. He now works for Google, he was one of the creators of Dart. So, almost.

[1] http://newspeaklanguage.org/

Re: Chromecast update breaks AllCast

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Post by ihsw »

tylerkahn wrote: post #11

https://developers.google.com/cast/release-notes > Warning: The current Google Cast SDK is a preview SDK intended for development and testing purposes only, not for production apps. Google may change this SDK significantly prior to the official release of the Google Cast SDK. We strongly recommend that you do not publicly distribute any application using this preview SDK, as this preview SDK will no longer be support…

In the future, when video playback isn't restored and Google makes a public admission that they don't intend on restoring it, would you mind if I remind you of how you were naive and foolish?

When Google's next hardware product comes out, can we stop thanking them and instead point out how they have a history of releasing products that give users no control over what runs on them?

Google has far more technical expertise than any ISP, so it stands to reason that they'll be using that to push down on users more than any other ISP has in the past. We may yet regret clamoring for Google Fiber to be everywhere.

Re: Chromecast update breaks AllCast

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Post by faddotio »

tylerkahn wrote: post #11

https://developers.google.com/cast/release-notes > Warning: The current Google Cast SDK is a preview SDK intended for development and testing purposes only, not for production apps. Google may change this SDK significantly prior to the official release of the Google Cast SDK. We strongly recommend that you do not publicly distribute any application using this preview SDK, as this preview SDK will no longer be support…

This. The API and its feature set is liable to change. This isn't a broken promise because no promises were made.
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