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Post by hfsktr »

brightsize wrote: post #245
tinkerdol wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

May I suggest Germany? At least in regards to your first point, they have recently relaxed barriers. Right now all you need is a four-year degree in order for you to come and look for work for up to 6 months. The chances of anyone reading this finding work are extremely high because there's a shortage of skilled professionals. http://www.make-it-in-germany.com/en/ Or, start out studying for a Master's degree first to…

You can also go to Germany to simply study the German language for up to six months. I think you need a 4yr degree (not sure) and need only study for 18hrs/week if I recall. You're not allowed to work, but should you find a job, I was told by several employers there that the Blue Card easy to get and takes about a month. I'm strongly considering it. I know enough German now to make a fool of myself there. Oh and at l…

Do you need to have a savings that you can live off of for 6 months (if you can't work)? I agree with the others in this thread the idea of moving is very easy. Just getting a visa can be expensive.

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Post by brightsize »

ozh wrote: post #119

As one says: "USA is the country of Liberty. They put a statue where it has been buried!"

Do you remember how right after 9/11 GW Bush said, to paraphrase, "they hate our freedoms". "They" being terrorists I suppose, though I think the popular interpretation was "Muslims".

We're giving "them" less to hate with every passing year.

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Post by arnarbi »

potatolicious wrote: post #254
arnarbi wrote: post #169

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I don't like them either, but why are they invasive?

A few reasons: - They actively image your naked body. Metal detectors do not. - They record said image of our naked body for an indefinite amount of time. Metal detectors do not. - A human views the image of your naked body, and makes a subjective assessment of whether or not something suspicious has been detected, based on a wide range of parameters. A metal detector is a simple on/off detection based on an extremel…

As backed up by xxpor, I don't think this is true. But mainly, I don't see the tremendous opportunity for abuse, unless you are some sort of celebrity whose blurry nude pictures are valuable.

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Post by ignostic »

bayesianhorse wrote: post #46
xpaulbettsx wrote: post #9

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Consider the following: if that identical machine were in a hospital, it would have been required to go through years of clinical trials to ensure its safety over the long term. The machines they are using are medical equipment. However, because it's in an airport, none of this has happened . Maybe it is safe. Maybe it isn't. It is unproven .

Is the radiation worse than a long-distance flight?

Passive mm-wave scanners do not produce radiation. The active mm-wave scanners use non-ionizing radiation which has been studied and shown not to cause cancer. One study even suggested it might reduce metastasis:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bem.20208/abstrac...

The flight itself isn't even that bad, but it is worse than the scanners. You get maybe 5 mrem (50 µSv) flying from London to NYC.

http://hps.org/publicinformation/ate/faqs/commercialflights....

The flight radiation is something you'd want to avoid, but a single flight is almost insignificant. XKCD has a reference chart:

http://xkcd.com/radiation/

Flight radiation is mostly a concern for flight crew.

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Post by alan_cx »

jballanc wrote: post #32

There is an extremely simple solution: leave. I've not lived in the US for almost two years now. I've only had to travel back twice in that time. Meanwhile, in the same time I've visited France, Belgium, the Netherlands, and Germany multiple times. None of those travel experiences were nearly as unpleasant or stressful as my two trips to the US. Furthermore, the technology communities that are growing up in these pla…

It would be quite a wheeze if countries started offering American (and UK) citizens political asylum, and favorable conditions. Long been said that the US is a brain drain for other countries, well, reverse it.

Perhaps that could be a great way for us to protest. If lots of US and UK (Aussies? Kiwis? Canadians?) citizens/subjects applied for political asylum in countries like Russia, would that send a message? At the very least, it would be bloody amusing!!!

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Post by squozzer »

Political defiance is not a blitzkrieg -- if it were everyone would do it. A loss does not dictate surrender.

I'm still pretty new at the political defiance game, but reading a few PDFs at aeinstein.org has opened my eyes a little - thanks to an earlier post I read on HN.

Myself, I avoid air travel whenever possible. The highways have not yet been transformed into a maze of checkpoints.

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Post by pinaceae »

3pt14159 wrote: post #293
pinaceae wrote: post #215

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as someone who recently moved TO the US - you are delusional. as if there is a magic, fairy place that is freedom and liberty and pixies. Asia? good luck, the individual has awesome rights, try talking badly about the thai royalty for example. go on, please do. Europe? Just moved from there, great place. But if you're looking for the right to act out your individual freedom (which ends where it impacts the freedom of…

Just off the top of my head, countries that are both freer and less insane: Canada, The Netherlands, Norway, Iceland, New Zealand, Singapore, Estonia, Latvia, Switzerland. Freer in terms of personal freedom, civil rights, economic freedom. In the US you have: 1. Forced to sign up for the draft. 2. Your "Army Reserves" and "National Guard" DEPLOYED to fun places like Afghanistan on a rotating schedule. No they did not…

oh boy, would you be surprised about NL and CH.

you don't like the draft in the US, which never gets executed?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Switzerland "Compulsory military service concerns all male Swiss citizens, with women serving voluntarily. Males usually receive initial orders at the age of 18 for military conscription eligibility screening. About two-thirds of young Swiss men are found suitable for service, while alternative service exists for those found unsuitable."

you cite rules about firearms and business as a downside in the US? the most hilarious thing ever. come over to Europe, please, and try to buy a handgun. plus open a business.

no fucking clue about the world, but spewing BS.

talk to leftist/liberals in the countries you've listed, please do. they all complain about the very same things. we have had biometric passports here for a while now, etc.

the big difference between the US and Europe? The US has the means to actually execute their ideas. the EU is slowly moving towards the US model by joining forces and sharing resources.

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Post by javert »

rbanffy wrote: post #74
jballanc wrote: post #32

There is an extremely simple solution: leave. I've not lived in the US for almost two years now. I've only had to travel back twice in that time. Meanwhile, in the same time I've visited France, Belgium, the Netherlands, and Germany multiple times. None of those travel experiences were nearly as unpleasant or stressful as my two trips to the US. Furthermore, the technology communities that are growing up in these pla…

> There is an extremely simple solution: leave. Actually, it's not a solution. If everyone who questions such ineffective and intrusive procedures leave, the ones who imposed them on your fellow citizens win. It's not my country, but I like it a lot. And it deeply saddens me to see what is happening to it.

Actually, if we could get 50% of all engineers and technophiles to flee the US, the insanity would have to stop. (How would they continue to pay for it?)

May not be a terrible strategy going forward if the US starts looking like an end-stage Weimer Republic, especially since people will have to flee anyway.

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Post by Simple1234 »

I took a flight once and I carried on my coin collection. All that metal set off a red flag so they took me to a private room to examine my collection. The TSA was generally polite, but at one point while shuffling my collection around the table a coin fell on the floor. My favorite coin. It was a commemorative coin for Operation Enduring Freedom that my cousin gave me. Other than pictures, it's the only thing I have left to remember him by. As I picked the coin up from the floor, with newly minted scratches no doubt, I couldn't help but think of the symbolism.

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Post by DamnYuppie »

pquerna wrote: post #298
DamnYuppie wrote: post #219

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Everyone who is in the USA and is not a Native American had ancestors who left where they were from. Often not under ideal circumstances, there where no guaranteed jobs waiting for anyone over here, just the opportunity for something better.

Many of my ancestors immigrated to the Americas in the 17th or 18th century. Best case I have something like 4th or 5th cousins in Europe. Not someone I can just drop into their lives.

I wasn't insinuating that you go back from whence your family came. I was trying to point out that it is in human nature to migrate to somewhere that holds the possibility of a better life. Not knowing the culture or language is not as big of a barrier as people are making it out to be.
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