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Re: Adblock buying ads to advertise Adblock

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Post by sp332 »

sdoering wrote: post #21
jkhaxxe wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So? Perhaps they would also like to block the ads at the server side, and save themselves the bill? But more seriously, I don't care about their bills. They're delivering HTML over an open network connection - what I do with that HTML is entirely up to me. If they don't like that there's nothing they can do about it.

Greetings, > I don't care about their bills [sarcasm] How farsighted. Oh how very farsighted. [sarcasm off] So you really do not care about their service being shut down, because it could not pay for itself? I mean, people working there to produce content, hardware to run the service, bandwidth, and so on...

That's like arguing against cars because it will put the horse-carriage makers out of business. Websites should switch to a sustainable busniess model (if ads aren't cutting it). My internet is nicer without ads, so I don't bother downloading them.

Re: Adblock buying ads to advertise Adblock

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Post by sp332 »

ponyous wrote: post #22
jkhaxxe wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because I'm paying for the bandwidth, and because I'm there for the content, not the adverts, and because I can - it's my computer, I can decide what it does.

It's not your site, you cannot decide what it does. I mean really, blocking regular ads won't get us anywhere. It's like receiving free news every morning, but you have ordered a kid who delivers them to cut out ads.

Actaully, the HTML of the "newspaper" directs my browser to connect to a bunch of other sites to download the sales flyers separately. I simply decline to fetch the ads. It's not like the website "puts ads in" and I "cut them out".

Re: Adblock buying ads to advertise Adblock

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Post by abadidea »

painki11er wrote: post #29

I don't understand how ad-blocking is even legal. It's like stealing - stealing content for free, IMHO there's no difference between stealing MP3s and news or any other content. There's some kind of user agreement between websites and its users - "you can use our site for free, but you have to watch the ads". Adblock violates this agreement. The people responsible for this should be in prison, they're thieves. And I'…

Yeah! Opting not to render the pixel configuration on your screen in the method suggested by the other end is a crime. So is using browsers with the graphics turned off, and being blind.

Re: Adblock buying ads to advertise Adblock

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Post by pjmlp »

Kudos wrote: post #33
philliphaydon wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A free service putting itself out of business... Can someone explain to me how that works?

> A free service putting itself out of business... Are you suggesting a free service can't make enough money to operate a business? Man, how am I getting away with not paying for that Wikipedia subscription. Adblock operates on donations and if it were to eliminate advertising, its current product would become useless.

> Man, how am I getting away with not paying for that Wikipedia subscription.

Because other people pay for you.

Re: Adblock buying ads to advertise Adblock

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Post by asteroth »

painki11er wrote: post #29

I don't understand how ad-blocking is even legal. It's like stealing - stealing content for free, IMHO there's no difference between stealing MP3s and news or any other content. There's some kind of user agreement between websites and its users - "you can use our site for free, but you have to watch the ads". Adblock violates this agreement. The people responsible for this should be in prison, they're thieves. And I'…

If people taped a piece of cardboard in front of the ad on their monitor, is that stealing as well?

Re: Adblock buying ads to advertise Adblock

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Post by SimonZerafa »

painki11er wrote: post #29

I don't understand how ad-blocking is even legal. It's like stealing - stealing content for free, IMHO there's no difference between stealing MP3s and news or any other content. There's some kind of user agreement between websites and its users - "you can use our site for free, but you have to watch the ads". Adblock violates this agreement. The people responsible for this should be in prison, they're thieves. And I'…

One of the issues with advertising or third party advertising networks comes down to security.

They have been and will continue to be the targets for malicious hackers who use them to serve malware to unsuspecting site visitors.

Until those ad networks are properly secured and monitored I will treat them as a security liability.

In many cases site admins go completely overboard with advertising creating a broken user experience. They choice you have then is to vote with your clicks and go elsewhere or attempt to use the site with an ad-blocker.

If any site admin wishes me to go elsewhere they can block users with ad blockers installed. If the site has value then they an ask POLITELY to whitelist their site; which for many sites I do add then to a site wide whitelist.

Assuming your site visitors of being thieves is not only stupid but illogical. If I walk past a billboard with my eyes close should I have them surgically removed because their are an adblocker? If I use a PVR to skip ads on TV am I stealing content? No; I am exercising a choice not to look at your pointless adverts.

The adverts add nothing to my experience of your site; I don't click on them so you won't be making any money from me for displaying them anyway.

Either find some other way to monetize your site (subs, sell merchandise, ask for donations etc) or find something else to do.

Re: Adblock buying ads to advertise Adblock

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Post by livestyle »

Todd Garland from BSA chimes in - http://toddgarland.com/where-adblock-misses-the-mark.html

Take away quotes -- "Seems to me like this is nothing more than a half-thought idea because they have nothing better to do and are jealous of AdBlock Plus taking bribes from ad companies to "white-list" them from being blocked."

"Want to have a real impact on advertising AdBlock? Do something that puts money in publisher bank accounts and gets advertisers results that's less obtrusive than the current state of affairs. Be creative.

An ad-free internet is a desert."

(full disclosure I work at buysellads)

Re: Adblock buying ads to advertise Adblock

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Post by icebraining »

opinali wrote: post #50
cLeEOGPw wrote: post #10

This makes a perfect sense actually. They want as much people as possible to use the extension so that more advertisers are forced to pay to adblock itself to allow the ads through. The ethics on the other hand on such a moves are questionable, since it makes ordinary advertising either obsolete or makes adblock the bottleneck of it's effectiveness.

Ethics? Ad blocking is facilitation of content stealing. Not one inch better than, say, a torrent site where the vast majority of torrents are copyrighted material.

Stealing was already incorrect when we were talking about copyright infringement, as the US Supreme Court has pointed out. It's definitively wrong when there's no copyright infringement at all.

Re: Adblock buying ads to advertise Adblock

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Post by majdal »

painki11er wrote: post #29

I don't understand how ad-blocking is even legal. It's like stealing - stealing content for free, IMHO there's no difference between stealing MP3s and news or any other content. There's some kind of user agreement between websites and its users - "you can use our site for free, but you have to watch the ads". Adblock violates this agreement. The people responsible for this should be in prison, they're thieves. And I'…

Banksy said it best:

""" People are taking the piss out of you everyday. They butt into your life, take a cheap shot at you and then disappear. They leer at you from tall buildings and make you feel small.

They make flippant comments from buses that imply you’re not sexy enough and that all the fun is happening somewhere else. They are on TV making your girlfriend feel inadequate. They have access to the most sophisticated technology the world has ever seen and they bully you with it.

They are The Advertisers and they are laughing at you. You, however, are forbidden to touch them. Trademarks, intellectual property rights and copyright law mean advertisers can say what they like wherever they like with total impunity.

Fuck That.

Any advert in a public space that gives you no choice whether you see it or not is yours. It’s yours to take, re-arrange and re-use. You can do whatever you like with it. Asking for permission is like asking to keep a rock someone just threw at your head.

You owe the companies nothing. Less than nothing, you especially don’t owe them any courtesy. They owe you. They have re-arranged the world to put themselves in front of you.

They never asked for your permission, don’t even start asking for theirs.

Banksy """

Source: http://www.elephantjournal.com/2013/01/banksy-manifesto/

Re: Adblock buying ads to advertise Adblock

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Post by aestra »

painki11er wrote: post #29

I don't understand how ad-blocking is even legal. It's like stealing - stealing content for free, IMHO there's no difference between stealing MP3s and news or any other content. There's some kind of user agreement between websites and its users - "you can use our site for free, but you have to watch the ads". Adblock violates this agreement. The people responsible for this should be in prison, they're thieves. And I'…

Is getting up during a TV commercial break and making a sandwich illegal and stealing?
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