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Don't fly. Seriously. Aren't you tired of being stripped searched, herded like cattle, squeezed into a tin can like sardines, going 300 miles in the wrong direction to switch plans at a hub, or sitting hours in wait in your three square feet of space on the tarmac? But what to do instead? Leave a day early. Take a train. Maybe even find a co-rider heading your way and split the cost of a cabin car. Then relax and enj…

I take it you've never traveled for business? Or for a funeral? Or have family cross country?

I don't enjoy traveling. I travel way too much to relax while traveling, It is a necessary evil to get me to point a to point b. The quickest way is the best way, it's like ripping off a band-aid, get it done quickly and painlessly as possible. Spending 4 days driving or riding a train from New York to LA isn't appealing to me, nor is it cost effective.

I've riding The Northeast Corridor more times than I can count. I don't like driving that route, so I take that train, but it isn't cost effective at all. It isn't pleasant. The train is delayed more than on time, once total delay time was over 5 hours. Not a relaxing good time.

When I was a kid I rode a train from New York to Florida, it was terrible. We slept in the seats, just like 90% of the passengers, because that's what was affordable. Real relaxing.

If you are a regular traveler, you aren't going to want to do any of those things. I travel regularly, I don't want to leave a day early, I'm on a tight schedule. Traveling isn't vacation.

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#102

There is an extremely simple solution: leave. I've not lived in the US for almost two years now. I've only had to travel back twice in that time. Meanwhile, in the same time I've visited France, Belgium, the Netherlands, and Germany multiple times. None of those travel experiences were nearly as unpleasant or stressful as my two trips to the US. Furthermore, the technology communities that are growing up in these pla…

I agree with the general spirit of your post, however: Amsterdam Schipol has (a lot of) scanning machines as well. Germany has more freedom in certain areas and less freedom in others. (you can't take your empty bottles to the recycling bins on Sunday for example)

I'd also add that the three worst travel experiences I've ever had were: immigration at Paris Charles de Gaulle Airport, anything at all London-Heathrow, immigration at Toronto Pearson.

Schiphol, El Prat, Marco Polo, Dublin, da Vinci, Kloten and Munich get me in and out without any fuss at all. Though security at Schiphol was about what you'd contend with at Dulles.

Domodedovo and Koltsovo are very mediocre and busy, but function. You might get harassed by security, you might not. Who knows? It's Russia after all.

Kuwait was easy-in easy-out, but basic airport services were generally a mess, due mostly to rampant queue hopping that none of the employees put a stop to.

My consistent best anywhere is traveling to South Korea. I would replace every airport on the planet with Inchon Int'l if I could.

In the U.S. Washington DC-Dulles and Denver are pretty smooth operations most days, JFK and LaGuardia are crowded but function and security doesn't really harass you, Charleston, SC is one of the easiest to get in and out of (even internationally). San Francisco, Sea-Tac and Portland are..."alright". LAX kinda sucks. O'Hare is a nightmare almost on the scale of Heathrow and Atlanta is a mess most days with what must be strictest security on the planet.

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#103
post #4

Can someone please explain what's wrong with going through the machine? If it means not having my balls squeezed, it sounds pretty good to me.

I am suspicious that they are gathering biometric data (exact body dimensions) with the scans. Collating that data with flight manifests and surveillance footage would lead to very accurate automated systems for identifying people from any surveillance footage.

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post #66

Don't fly. Seriously. Aren't you tired of being stripped searched, herded like cattle, squeezed into a tin can like sardines, going 300 miles in the wrong direction to switch plans at a hub, or sitting hours in wait in your three square feet of space on the tarmac? But what to do instead? Leave a day early. Take a train. Maybe even find a co-rider heading your way and split the cost of a cabin car. Then relax and enj…

Please point me to the train that takes me from Germany to NYC.

That would be very cool. However, when we need to get to Europe, we take a train to Toronto or Montreal and fly from there. Canada's airports are a bit more sane that those in the U.S. When I lived in southern California, I drove across the border and flew out of Mexico: not as nice, but I saved a lot of money that way.

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#105

There is an extremely simple solution: leave. I've not lived in the US for almost two years now. I've only had to travel back twice in that time. Meanwhile, in the same time I've visited France, Belgium, the Netherlands, and Germany multiple times. None of those travel experiences were nearly as unpleasant or stressful as my two trips to the US. Furthermore, the technology communities that are growing up in these pla…

"Extremely simple?" There's lots of reasons it isn't so simple for people. 1) Barriers to work and emigration 2) Language barriers - I know that learning a new language isn't impossible (I know a little Spanish but I'd hardly call myself fluent), but I speak only English fluently, which limits me to a handful of nations, many of which are nearly as bad as the United States (hey UK, how are those surveillance cameras?…

It's extremely simple. You just pull your finger out and do it. I've hopped continent four times so far in my life, and have no intention of stopping. Sure, family, ties, etc., but it's not like you can't visit them, and languages you learn on the go. People are patient.

Anyway. Better to go now, than to wait for them to take your passports away.

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#106
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

of all the things bothering me about Germany, this is not one of them. More the fact that nearly all shops close at 8pm and everything is closed on sunday.

It introduces a different mentality: you have to do something other than shop.

As an international traveler that for some reason ends up arriving in Germany Sundays, let me assure you, it sucks to high heaven that I can't get something to eat or drink easily.

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#107

Just sign up for Global Enrollment (GOES) and you automatically get TSA Pre and don't have to go thru the regular security lines: no Millimeter back scatter scanner, no taking off your shoes or taking your laptop out of your bag. Australia, the Netherlands and Canada have similar programs and at present all recognize each others program enrollees, so it also gets you thru Customs in those countries faster too. https:…

The main site for this is http://www.globalentry.gov/.

Sadly, it is only available for citizens of the U.S., Mexico and the Netherlands. Canadians can use the NEXUS program, which gives the same benefits. (See http://www.globalentry.gov/faq.html#a2.)

So this only helps a tiny fraction of people frequently flying to the U.S.

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#108
post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Extremely simple?" There's lots of reasons it isn't so simple for people. 1) Barriers to work and emigration 2) Language barriers - I know that learning a new language isn't impossible (I know a little Spanish but I'd hardly call myself fluent), but I speak only English fluently, which limits me to a handful of nations, many of which are nearly as bad as the United States (hey UK, how are those surveillance cameras?…

It's extremely simple. You just pull your finger out and do it. I've hopped continent four times so far in my life, and have no intention of stopping. Sure, family, ties, etc., but it's not like you can't visit them, and languages you learn on the go. People are patient. Anyway. Better to go now, than to wait for them to take your passports away.

Simple in your context is the act itself without considering all the repercussions that mosburger mentioned.

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#109
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Can someone please explain what's wrong with going through the machine? If it means not having my balls squeezed, it sounds pretty good to me.

Body scanners are like a big "Fuck You, Citizen" from your government.

First, we know they don't work, because they only work up to the epidermis, and sometimes not even that well, as lots of dangerous things have gotten through them. If you wanted to get something on a plane, put it up your butt or somehow else in your body and it will work 100% of the time. Just don't carry a gun strapped to your body. (Though that has worked too)

In addition, even when I go through the scanners (because I am a very obedient citizen) I still get a ball-hugging pat-down after going through the scanner, because they weren't sure what they were looking at. When Germany tested the millimeter wave scanners they reported around 50% false positives that required additional pat-downs.

Second, invasion of privacy. They're taking pictures of your naked body. And gross people have been caught ogling the pictures. Besides just being creepy, there are people who have been sexually assaulted and this amounts to an additional assault, and can be emotionally damaging. Not even considering how kids and their rights factor in here.

Third, we don't know how safe they are. Nobody even bothered to do a study to find out, or even do basic safety checks, before they installed them. The backscatter machines are banned completely in the EU and several prominent doctors have been urging more studies for a variety of people who may be more susceptible to the damage X-rays do to your cells. The president of the National Council on Radiation Protection and Measurements says there should be an effort to verify millimeter wave scanners are safe for frequent use [that has still not been done].

I was going to make a fourth point about Michael Chertoff (and others) making money off selling the scanners to the government, but i'll let an old guy in Congress rant instead: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drm9fz48mM4#t=4m1s (turns out to be a mountain out of a molehill, but the lobbying implications are there and the money is too) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/23/fear_pays_chertoff_...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It introduces a different mentality: you have to do something other than shop.

my mentality is "I want some milk" and "I bet the gas stations are pretty happy about the Ladenöffnungszeitengesetz"

Since you can get milk at the gas station if you forget to stock up the day before: what's the problem?
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