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Re: Airlines offer no-crying sections

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Post by CaptainZapp »

evadne wrote: post #7

Just got off from a Singapore → Taipei Scoot flight today; sat in the quiet zone. Compared with the other flight where a family placed their loud baby right behind me, this is pure bliss. I’ll happily pay up to $500 for guaranteed silence. ps. Active noise cancellation might work; however you’re usually not allowed to use electronic devices during takeoff or landing. Speaking from my experience, babies don’t really c…

  Active noise cancellation might work; however you’re usually not allowed to use electronic devices during takeoff or landing.
Which is really not a problem, since I'd wager that you're awake anyway during that period of the flight.

Re: Airlines offer no-crying sections

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Post by taway2012 »

guard-of-terra wrote: post #12
pilif wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the child is in a group of other humans, the louder it cries the more likely it is to be noticed. The more annoying the cry is to other people, the more likely it is to get help. Humans always lived in groups, so being loud and annoying has huge evolutionary advantages over being quiet.

They mostly cry without any reason watsoever. Even today children crying gets them shaken violently in some cultres. I can't imagine pre-historic humans to be more well-tempered and tolerant than today. It doesn't make sense.

> They mostly cry without any reason watsoever.

Hmm, I'm guessing you are child-free? In my experience, it's not normal for a baby to cry for no reason.

I'm only replying to present a diff. point of view in case people go away thinking it's normal for a baby to cry for no reason.

Re: Airlines offer no-crying sections

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Post by [deleted] »

guard-of-terra wrote: post #12
pilif wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the child is in a group of other humans, the louder it cries the more likely it is to be noticed. The more annoying the cry is to other people, the more likely it is to get help. Humans always lived in groups, so being loud and annoying has huge evolutionary advantages over being quiet.

They mostly cry without any reason watsoever. Even today children crying gets them shaken violently in some cultres. I can't imagine pre-historic humans to be more well-tempered and tolerant than today. It doesn't make sense.

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Re: Airlines offer no-crying sections

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Post by rayiner »

guard-of-terra wrote: post #12
pilif wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the child is in a group of other humans, the louder it cries the more likely it is to be noticed. The more annoying the cry is to other people, the more likely it is to get help. Humans always lived in groups, so being loud and annoying has huge evolutionary advantages over being quiet.

They mostly cry without any reason watsoever. Even today children crying gets them shaken violently in some cultres. I can't imagine pre-historic humans to be more well-tempered and tolerant than today. It doesn't make sense.

> They mostly cry without any reason watsoever.

Not really, it's just that we find it difficult as adults to empathize enough to understand what's bothering them. Children cry because they're hungry, because they've got gas, because they're sick or uncomfortable, because they're overstimulated, or because they're bored. Since they eat every few hours, have developing digestive systems, have developing temperature regulation systems, and have no internal monologue and short attention spans, one of these things becomes a problem very frequently.

As they get older, they cry because they have no emotional regulation (something that isn't fully developed until after adolescence). If I snatch a candy bar out of your hand you were about to bite into, you feel that initial pang of loss but quickly your higher faculties regulates that emotion. If I grab a piece of "floor food" my 9 month old is about to put in her mouth, she feels that same emotional response, but there is nothing to regulate it.

Re: Airlines offer no-crying sections

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Post by kevinrpope »

CaptainZapp wrote: post #21
evadne wrote: post #7

Just got off from a Singapore → Taipei Scoot flight today; sat in the quiet zone. Compared with the other flight where a family placed their loud baby right behind me, this is pure bliss. I’ll happily pay up to $500 for guaranteed silence. ps. Active noise cancellation might work; however you’re usually not allowed to use electronic devices during takeoff or landing. Speaking from my experience, babies don’t really c…

Active noise cancellation might work; however you’re usually not allowed to use electronic devices during takeoff or landing. Which is really not a problem, since I'd wager that you're awake anyway during that period of the flight.

If you're trying to focus on something it is a problem. I hadn't even considered the sleep part of this, I was thinking about reading, programming, etc, all of which will be derailed by a screaming baby.

Re: Airlines offer no-crying sections

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Post by scotty79 »

vkou wrote: post #18
tjtrapp wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I know, the crying is due to the change in pressure that affects babies inner ears during takeoff and landing.

Exactly. Taking a baby onto an airplane is equivalent to torturing it... And, as a consequence, everyone around it.

1000 times this. When airplane starts to descend my ears do funny thing. I begin to hear everything like from under a meter of water. My ears also hurt like hell. And it doesn't stop. On my first flight ever, I suffered for half an hour waiting for this feeling to pass. No amount of swallowing helped. Then I told my friend about it and he ssugested that I blow the air out through the nose while holding it shut with my hand. Presto. I was back with the living. If you could somehow do this manouver to an infant that started crying on descent.... Otherwise you are funding him about an hour of really painful torture.

This method is also described in that flight magazine on page 53 or something. Should be on the cover.

Re: Airlines offer no-crying sections

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Post by jwcooper »

vkou wrote: post #18
tjtrapp wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I know, the crying is due to the change in pressure that affects babies inner ears during takeoff and landing.

Exactly. Taking a baby onto an airplane is equivalent to torturing it... And, as a consequence, everyone around it.

My sarcasm meter might be off, but regardless, this is nonsense. You can easily mitigate the pressure issues by giving your kid something to snack on or a bottle during takeoff and landing.
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