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You Can't Fix People

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Re: You Can't Fix People

#21
Well, we don't have a framework for fixing a person, no state where a person is considered whole.

Imagine you're fixing a car. There's a (relatively) clear spec on when it's considered fixed, and you strive to get there. You can get there by following instructions, or you can get there by experimentation.

Without knowledge of what is considered fixed, you're making shots in the dark. A lot of people are, and you have a chaotic system.

Comming up with a framework for what a person should strive to be is technically a job for philosophy, but that's not working, is it? We seem to be naturally change averse, and a lot of philosophical works boil down to rationalizing what you are doing is right. Kant reads like the bible of irresponsibility (What is the "Kathegorischer Imperativ" exept absolving responsibility to a higher mandate?), and Nietsche reads like he's trying to give you a free pass for everything provided you're the Supermensch (and who doesn't class themselves that way?).

No, creating frameworks is a dangerous game, and I've stopped trusting anyone to do a proper job at it. All religions I know of failed at it to various degrees (look at that track record for gods sake! They're still being used to justify murder). Most philosophers had their ideas tried out (as far as that was viable), and those approaches again didn't work out perfectly.

And here we're sitting, no idea how to do things, but hellbent on doing something. It's amazing we figured out science, which is why we can figure out those problems easily. But philosophy? We don't seem to have progressed there.

So yeah, fixing people is about as futile (right now) as physics has been before the scientific method.

Re: You Can't Fix People

#22

Hmmm. The hypocrisy is blatant. He apparently hates the way "people" are. Yet, at the same time he hates other people who also hate the way people are i.e. sexists and racists?!?!? I apologize for the following but: Are you fucking kidding me?!? Does he truly believe that he is alone in dealing with people? Do we not all deal with people? Is this not a core component of life and of cough growing up cough ?!?!? Have n…

I share your disagreement with the piece. Not everyone needs or wants to be "fixed". It took me years to realise that the best I can do for others is not to listen for a solution to "help" them, but listen just to listen.

Re: You Can't Fix People

#23

I think that one of the most frustrating aspects of dealing with people (at least for myself, as I'm loathe to extend my experiences to others) is that they fail several key things: People are not: * linear time-invariant * rational * abstractable By the first, I mean two things. People do not react proportionally to a change in input--raising your voice slightly or disagreeing somewhat harder may suddenly get you pu…

An oversimplification of the human individual into nothing more than an analytic system seems very dystopian to me. The responsibility of getting to know an INDIVIDUAL for who THEY are is a beautiful and expensive journey. Which is why we can only afford it in a minimalist sense i.e. MAYBE one person to fall in love with, MAYBE a family to love, and MAYBE a handful of friends to truly love as well. However, if what t…

I'm generally of the opinion that the more people you love, the more people you can love--it's a skill like any other.

I think it's a shame that more people don't try to get to know others better; everyone has a life and a history, and it's quite fascinating to hear the stories of how another has come to intersect your path in life.

The trend that distresses me most, though, is that we've forsaken modeling people (which is bad) to instead simply bowing to statistics to do our reasoning for us (which is worse). Treating people as knowable agents using a flawed model is still more respectful of the human condition than saying "Well, they tend to do this given that, so, um, yeah."

People are not robots, but they also sure as hell aren't dice.

Re: You Can't Fix People

#27
Not that I agree with the connotations of "fix" as used in this piece - but why do you want to fix people in the first place? It's not your responsibility.

If certain people bother you, then the best you can do is try to change your own outlook and circumstances to deal better with the negativity you feel towards their behaviour.

Or to put it another way, the only person you're responsible for fixing is yourself.

Re: You Can't Fix People

#28

Hmmm. The hypocrisy is blatant. He apparently hates the way "people" are. Yet, at the same time he hates other people who also hate the way people are i.e. sexists and racists?!?!? I apologize for the following but: Are you fucking kidding me?!? Does he truly believe that he is alone in dealing with people? Do we not all deal with people? Is this not a core component of life and of cough growing up cough ?!?!? Have n…

Indeed. So much of the shitty things people do comes exactly from the presumption that they superior, and have some kind of mandate to fix others. It is vital to listen, empathize, and maybe even to allow other to help "fix" you into a better person, instead of just assuming you are right, and anyone different is wrong.

Re: You Can't Fix People

#30
What's a problem solver to do? To put it crudely, stop being so judgemental. And stop viewing people as problems. Stop defining persons' entire identities by one (admittedly awful) behavior or attitude they exhibit. People are more complex than that. And you're not just a "problem solver." You're many other things... Some good, some bad. Some probably as bad as being a sexist or a racist, depending on how you look at things. Life is not math. In all seriousness the best suggestion I have is to try to maintain an attitude of extreme charity towards all people, and to constantly re-focus on the things that you and they hold in common as human beings with needs, wants, intentions, and desires.
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