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Groundwater Contamination May End the Gas-Fracking Boom

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Re: Groundwater Contamination May End the Gas-Fracking Boom

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Methane's greenhouse gas effect is 20x that of CO2. [0] --- [0] http://epa.gov/climatechange/ghgemissions/gases/ch4.html

The quantities we are talking about are pretty minimal though, and definitely worth the tradeoff with less coal (or oil for that matter).

I don't have a source handy, but I remember reading something to effect that when you figured in all the transportation costs for the fracking fluid and gas production, it really wasn't so clean.

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The wins, unfortunately, tend to be random, as a result of the sorry state of our environmental law. The people at the EPA don't target oil pipelines for rerouting due to beetles instead of focusing on whether fracking is polluting groundwater because they care so much about beetles, or because they've already won on everything more important. Industry takes examples like this to show "look at how out of control the…

In the mean time, landowners pissed off about Keystone XL's successful use of eminent domain need to know where to get a supply of these beetles.

Paradox. If you could obtain more of them, they wouldn't be protected.

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In the mean time, landowners pissed off about Keystone XL's successful use of eminent domain need to know where to get a supply of these beetles.

Paradox. If you could obtain more of them, they wouldn't be protected.

The wheels of gov't move slowly. It might take a decade before they noticed.

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Nothing will stop the fraking. It's simply too profitable for Congress to do something about it (one of the few bright areas in a dismal economy), and the courts have gutted the environmental laws too much for the courts to do anything about it. It's an intrinsically attractive business: the product is something (energy) that's extremely valuable and has exploding demand, and many of the inherent costs of creating th…

Here's a radical idea: in today's day and age, do we really need Congress to be in a centralized location at all?

Yes, there are practical and security obstacles to governance via permanent telepresence, but there are many upsides as well. Aside from the enourmous cost and disruption to existing practices, is there anything that makes it completely unfeasible? I imagine many representatives would much rather live in their home state than move to DC or constantly commute.

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Fracking will end when the oil/gas is gone. It's inaccurate to group together hydraulic fracturing and traditional oil drilling in terms of environmental damage. The regulations and safety procedures for oil are leaps and bounds beyond those of hydraulic fracturing. My girlfriend is in charge for assessing the environmental impacts of the Keystone XL pipeline, and she recently spent two weeks rerouting KXL because sh…

>It's inaccurate to group together hydraulic fracturing and traditional oil drilling in terms of environmental damage. No it isn't, fracking is a technique that is used to increase the output of a 'traditional oil well' and actually, oil/gas drilling has been ruining surface water for a long time, too. In the past it tended to happen to people who owned the surface as well as the minerals, and who were often happy to…

You have no idea what you are talking about. Tech people on HN pretending to know the intricacies of environmental impact of energy development ...

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>It's inaccurate to group together hydraulic fracturing and traditional oil drilling in terms of environmental damage. No it isn't, fracking is a technique that is used to increase the output of a 'traditional oil well' and actually, oil/gas drilling has been ruining surface water for a long time, too. In the past it tended to happen to people who owned the surface as well as the minerals, and who were often happy to…

You have no idea what you are talking about. Tech people on HN pretending to know the intricacies of environmental impact of energy development ...

This isn't a helpful comment. Cite an example of how it is wrong, instead.

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But methane isn't harmful. Also the article doesn't mention the quantities, but another does. [1] It seems that the most that's been found is about 70mg/L, which is not a lot. [1] http://realclearscience.com/blog/2013/06/theres-methane-in-y...

There are over 500 chemicals used in the process, and I'm guessing many of them get into the ground water.

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But methane isn't harmful. Also the article doesn't mention the quantities, but another does. [1] It seems that the most that's been found is about 70mg/L, which is not a lot. [1] http://realclearscience.com/blog/2013/06/theres-methane-in-y...

You should be at the top of the comments list. What's the fear of "contamination" if the so-called contaminant doesn't harm?

People should be happy! I'm sure that the wealthy will be paying extra for their ground-water to be "infused" with methane before we know it!

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>It's inaccurate to group together hydraulic fracturing and traditional oil drilling in terms of environmental damage. No it isn't, fracking is a technique that is used to increase the output of a 'traditional oil well' and actually, oil/gas drilling has been ruining surface water for a long time, too. In the past it tended to happen to people who owned the surface as well as the minerals, and who were often happy to…

You have no idea what you are talking about. Tech people on HN pretending to know the intricacies of environmental impact of energy development ...

Like mratzloff said, please give some reason rather than leave me wondering.
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