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I wasted four years of my life – don't make the same mistake

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Re: I wasted four years of my life – don't make the same mistake

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The liberal arts are invaluable as a means of cultivating the potential within oneself. That said, you need food to feed a garden while it is being cultivated, and nothing puts bread on the table quite as robustly as engineering degrees.

Perfectly put. I do love liberal arts a great deal. I try my best to be able to learn about those whenever I happen to get some free time, but even if I had to do it all over again, I might not chose it as my degree and stick to engineering.

Re: I wasted four years of my life – don't make the same mistake

#22
post #11

In his 2005 Stanford commencement lecture, Apple Computer founder and college dropout Steve Jobs credited a Reed College calligraphy class for his focus on choosing quality typefaces for the Macintosh. He seems to do alright.

He might indeed be doing alright if he had taken a little more interest in science. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/8841347/Steve-Jo... I wonder how many years of his life that wasted?

Likely, none.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81xnvgOlHaY

Re: I wasted four years of my life – don't make the same mistake

#23
post #5

"I'm hoping that my daughter will embrace her inner geek and want to change the world." And what if she don't have an inner geek...? You didn't waste time. You lived. And now you are judging the younger yourself, and saying "I made mistakes", but you can't know what life would have been if you studied maths. Maybe this article would have the same title, and end with "Don't make mistakes like I do, follow your heart a…

I agree with this comment, although it might not appear that I do from the other remark I made in this thread.

Spending four years supporting myself playing poker for just-under-minimum-wage on average was a waste of time in terms of career/hard skills, but gave me an instinctive grasp of game theory, excellent budgeting skills, improved my self-confidence and was generally a lot of fun. I don't know if I'd be where I am now without those four wasted years.

EDIT: Oh! I remember the salient point I was going to make - I doubt she'd be earning around £250+ from a Guardian article without that liberal arts degree!

Re: I wasted four years of my life – don't make the same mistake

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" Last week's A-Level results show only 245 girls took A-Level computing this year, compared with 5,153 who took Spanish. This is a decline of 1.3% from last year, despite the fact that the few girls who took A-Level computing outperformed boys."

A 1.3% decline means that three fewer girls took A-Level computing this year, doesn't it?

The liberal arts are very much worth doing. I was a liberal arts major, and have three regrets: I should have studied math further (bailed out after multi-variable calculus and differential equations; I should have studied more foreign languages; and I should have realized that computing did not begin and end with Fortran IV entered onto punch cards. (Yes, this was all a while ago.)

Re: I wasted four years of my life – don't make the same mistake

#25
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He might indeed be doing alright if he had taken a little more interest in science. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/8841347/Steve-Jo... I wonder how many years of his life that wasted?

Likely, none. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81xnvgOlHaY

> John A. McDougall, M.D., is an American Irish physician and author whose philosophy is that degenerative disease can be prevented and treated with a low-fat, whole foods, plant-based/vegan diet – especially one based on starches such as potatoes, rice, and corn – which excludes all animal foods and added vegetable oils.

Do you think the guy might have a horse in this race?

Re: I wasted four years of my life – don't make the same mistake

#26
post #2

I really look forward to a world filled with only engineering majors -- sounds exciting.

I really look forward to a world filled only with people who chose their major looking at own talents instead of stereotypes. By the way, I think this is the real point of the article, not "more engineering majors."

Re: I wasted four years of my life – don't make the same mistake

#27
FTA:

> My teachers recommended that I study economics and statistics as my A-level subjects, but I had my mind set on a life fulfilled by the arts.

And in the next paragraph:

> Without realising it, I was a victim of a gender stereotype reinforced since birth, that men do science and maths and women do arts or languages.

Society was encouraging her to go into the sciences. Or was it that she was trapped by a "gender stereotype"?

She doesn't see the contradiction between the two statements.

She could have accepted personal responsibility, and said "I screwed up. I didn't look into the job prospects, or the salaries. I just had a romantic notion and went with it, against the advice of people who knew better."

> Now I have a five-year-old daughter. I don't want her to blindly follow gender roles the way I did.

Is she an adult, or an automaton with no free will?

> I want her to embrace the fact that a science or technical degree will not limit her creativity but expand it and broaden her horizons far more than my arts background could

i.e. "I was bigoted against STEM degress, but now I realize that they're useful, too".

This article is interesting. Not for it's promotion of STEM degrees. But for it's shameless bigotry, and total denial of personal responsibility.

Re: I wasted four years of my life – don't make the same mistake

#28

The liberal arts are invaluable as a means of cultivating the potential within oneself. That said, you need food to feed a garden while it is being cultivated, and nothing puts bread on the table quite as robustly as engineering degrees.

I received my CS degree from a liberal arts school[1] and think it was one of the best accidental/forced choices I made. I say forced because at the time I didn't have the money to go anywhere else.

[1] http://www.cofc.edu/about/

Re: I wasted four years of my life – don't make the same mistake

#30
post #11

In his 2005 Stanford commencement lecture, Apple Computer founder and college dropout Steve Jobs credited a Reed College calligraphy class for his focus on choosing quality typefaces for the Macintosh. He seems to do alright.

> He seems to do alright. Did, RIP Jobs. Also he was Steve Jobs, who created multiple multi-billion dollar companies, he would have been a success had he taken a burger flipping class. There was only one Steve Jobs.

That was a typo, however, as his legacy continues the typo remains.

Also I disagree with your burger flipper comment, his beliefs were really what made him, him.

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