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Re: We Need To Talk, Google

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Well, if you really didn't want to, you could always create separate Google accounts for each service.

I think that at least Youtube accounts now require a phone number when registering. I don't know for sure, but I doubt you can give the same number for multiple accounts.

Create a fake phone number

Re: We Need To Talk, Google

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The word "I" showed up in both of those sentences. To most users, unifying all of their data adds a lot of value. Google reads my GMails from major airlines, and shows me when my next flight is when I Google Search for "when is my next flight". The flight also just pops up on Google Now on my Android phone. It also knows where I am, and where the airport is, so it tells me how long it will take to drive there. When I…

> I find value in these things Well then good for you, and you should be able to merge all your accounts with Google into one; but why should this be almost compulsory? What's more, if there's so much value into this, why does Google have to force its users to do it?

They want it because it is simpler and more efficent. Only a small amount of users (very, very small) would explicitly opt out to a non unfied system. For those few user, keeping up the old system or building stronger separation in the new system is just nosensical for them.

Not happy with the options in there service, use something diffrent.

Re: We Need To Talk, Google

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I know how you feel. Gmail's interface has become incredibly complicated and every change feels like a step backward. But as much as I don't care for Gmail's current interface, I can't and don't expect Google to support older web interfaces. If I really wanted interface consistency, I would run my own mail client.

That's exactly why I do run completely own servers, email, website, private communication platform etc. I don't like Google at all. Using Gmail is a trap, as we have seen here in other discussions.

I don't use Gmail or other Google services either, but that has nothing to do with their UI; it has to do with me not trusting them with their data. You don't need to use Gmail's web interface to use Gmail; you can access it using any IMAP-capable email client.

Re: We Need To Talk, Google

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You've an interesting perspective. So, in your mind, someone shouldn't complain about something unless he/she has tried to build his/her own version of it?

Either build your own or do not complain when it is free. Its fair. You cannot "demand" in exchange for FREE

Youtube is not free. I get ads all the time.

Re: We Need To Talk, Google

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Google is simply trying to unify their services. YouTube was an acquisition, with it's own login system and social network. They don't want to maintain this separation forever, they want a single signon for everything. Ditto for sharing and contacts. You had separate 'contacts' in Gmail, Latitude, G+, Reader, YouTube, and probably others I'm missing. Users shouldn't be prompted to maintain N different copies of this…

*its own

Re: We Need To Talk, Google

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post #166

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Pretty sure that performing a google search is just as easy today as it ever was.

Things that go wrong with Google searches for me on a weekly basis: * I search from Firefox and my browser spends 30 seconds in the middle of the redirection from .com to .co.uk * I click a search result and my browser spends 30 seconds waiting for the redirection/click tracking script, and there's no easy way to get the actual URL you are going to any more, so you have to wait * I type in a query and the auto-refres…

Concerning the click tracking thing, there's a browser extension for Safari that replaces the tracking links with the real links. This extension has made Google search a more reliable for me. Maybe there's a similar extension available for Firefox?

Re: We Need To Talk, Google

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Google is simply trying to unify their services. YouTube was an acquisition, with it's own login system and social network. They don't want to maintain this separation forever, they want a single signon for everything. Ditto for sharing and contacts. You had separate 'contacts' in Gmail, Latitude, G+, Reader, YouTube, and probably others I'm missing. Users shouldn't be prompted to maintain N different copies of this…

All Microsoft was doing is integrating a browser into the operating system, and trying to make it impossible to separate them. I don't regard that as grounds for anti-trust, but I do view it as ridiculous. And it's equally ridiculous for Google to try to trip users into using their other services by leveraging their overwhelmingly dominant search and video products. It'll be interesting to see if Google eventually cl…

It wasn't ridiculous. The idea was for IE to use existing components in the OS, and to allow other programs (including ones from third parties) to use components from the browser. This enabled you to open web pages in other applications, including Windows Explorer.

Microsoft had to rewrite the IE3 browser into components, and this componentization was very popular at the time. It won Microsoft a huge deal with AOL and meant ISPs could customize IE (which Netscape wouldn't allow), which also contributed to IE's victory over Netscape Navigator.

In the end, Microsoft won the browser case by 2-1 on appeal, and the US Justice Department lost it.

It's nothing like the Google case.

Re: We Need To Talk, Google

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This is just one of the many issues with Google products these days. I dread using anything from Google because of the confusing accounts mess, the language and localization chaos, the forced de-anonimization, the consistent ignoring of explicitly set preferences and the countless bugs in all of those. The way I feel about using Google services today mirrors how I felt about Windows a decade ago. You start out trying…

Pretty sure that performing a google search is just as easy today as it ever was.

It definitely isn't. I do a lot of searches at Bing now just because just entering one character will bring up a whole list of my previous searches, so I can re-use them. This is incredibly useful.

Google used to do that too, but killed the idea so it could provide crappy "instant" results.

Another thing that makes Google's search dramatically worse nowadays is the way it prioritizes "freshness" and de-prioritizes quality. It's now almost impossible to find any high quality results because the majority of the first few pages are taken up by rubbishy blog posts. Most of which are 5-line knock-offs of other blog posts.

The display of adverts on top of search results -- which deceives a lot of people -- is another example. When you look at the adverts and results that promote Google's own properties, there's less and less room for the organic search results that might actually be useful.

tl;dr -- Google search is significantly worse than it was three or four years ago.

Re: We Need To Talk, Google

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Felt like extortion? To freely post your video to their free hosting service, which allows you free distribution and marketing of your brand to the entire world. For free. And this felt like extortion?

Yes, "extortion" - give me more data about you if you want to use our so-called "free" services. Extortion in my book too.

Your book is missing a few key pages.

Re: We Need To Talk, Google

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post #222

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Things that go wrong with Google searches for me on a weekly basis: * I search from Firefox and my browser spends 30 seconds in the middle of the redirection from .com to .co.uk * I click a search result and my browser spends 30 seconds waiting for the redirection/click tracking script, and there's no easy way to get the actual URL you are going to any more, so you have to wait * I type in a query and the auto-refres…

Concerning the click tracking thing, there's a browser extension for Safari that replaces the tracking links with the real links. This extension has made Google search a more reliable for me. Maybe there's a similar extension available for Firefox?

Thanks for the tip, I'll look into it!
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