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Four fears for authoritarians

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Re: Four fears for authoritarians

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"Once the filters are built, the terms upon which they can filter can be (indeed will be) modified."

This and every law on the books. A law is like ground being broken on a particular location (realm of life), something will be built upon it down the line. Much fuss might be made over the specific law but it is all slight of hand.

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post #57

Expat Brit here. Quite frankly I'm frightened to pass through UK ports now to visit family after reading about Schedule 7 powers. My reading of it is that passing through a UK port means I enter a legal limbo. If stopped by an inquisitor, I'm likely to assert my right to silence. This may mean I'm detained and intimidated for 9 hours. At the end of this I can be arrested and charged with 'non-cooperation', this may i…

If stopped by an inquisitor, I'm likely to assert my right to silence. This may mean I'm detained and intimidated for 9 hours. It's worse than this - since border zones are considered legal no-mans-land, you actually don't have the right to silence in those areas (i.e. it's an imprisonable offence not to co-operate). This is one of the significant points in the Miranda case, the fact that normal protections afforded…

Yes, Miranda said he was told that he would be jailed if he didn't co-operate, and that he was worried he would be kidnapped (gitmoed). So obviously a lot of intimidation going on there.

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if everyone already realised that it's not about terrorism but doesn't know how to act and therefore falls into cynicism? If anyone knows what to do please step up and lead I am happy to follow.

Kinda simple. We finance this bullshit by paying taxes. Why do we pay them? Because they force us to and convince us it's a good idea. What do we do about it? Use any form of money that is problematic to track and tax: cash, gold, Bitcoin. Pretty sure it's possible to live just on that - would be a little uncomfortable, but certainly less so than some violent action. And it would be a major blow to the government if…

The big influences are large companies and we finance many of them with the purchases we make. Voting with wallets, given strength of numbers, could start to have an impact.

I don't see reduced tax income changing the ratio in which a government allocates their funds.

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and describing all this as the same 'agenda' is grossly simplistic & undermines attempts to reinforce civil liberties. there may be broad trends but they're not driven by a unified entity, and given that the scope of NSA surveillance was known before Snowden his leaks hardly give credence to the possibility of taking conspiracy theories seriously

Calling something a conspiracy theory is not an argument, and I'm not sure what the scare quotes around 'agenda' are supposed to communicate to me.

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kinda simple. We finance this bullshit by paying taxes. Why do we pay them? Because they force us to and convince us it's a good idea. What do we do about it? Use any form of money that is problematic to track and tax: cash, gold, Bitcoin. Pretty sure it's possible to live just on that - would be a little uncomfortable, but certainly less so than some violent action. And it would be a major blow to the government if…

The big influences are large companies and we finance many of them with the purchases we make. Voting with wallets, given strength of numbers, could start to have an impact. I don't see reduced tax income changing the ratio in which a government allocates their funds.

Companies are paying taxes too. If you stop purchasing products from one company, government would simply go and tax the hell out of the one you chose instead. It's the wrong way to tackle this problem.

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post #7

Yep, see what happened in the Arabic countries (and some other countries outside of the Islam-sphere). People organised to protest using the Internet. People get educated using the Internet. In Cuba they exchange information using thumb drives. And every bullshitter (= our governments) should be afraid of it. They are, of course. And surveillance is their reaction. What will help is if everyone finally realises that…

What if everyone already realised that it's not about terrorism but doesn't know how to act and therefore falls into cynicism? If anyone knows what to do please step up and lead I am happy to follow.

>If anyone knows what to do please step up and lead I am happy to follow.

It think you've actually hit the nail on the head here. What we need is some leaders. When you think about the civil rights movement and other successful movements, you can name names.

To some extent we have leaders, but they're more ideological leaders than meet-here-and-do-this leaders. We need people who can organize other people, so that we can cause 10,000 people to show up in one place at the same time. And then do it again, with the same people, in some other place at some other time when the need arises.

Where is the organization to do this? Why don't we have conferences on this? The closest thing I can think of is the gaggle of Libertarians-nee-anarchists who hold a bunch of sessions largely for the purpose of soliciting donations from their elderly followers. They don't seem to be accomplishing anything, unless you count funding the likes of Michelle Bachmann as accomplishing something.

It seems to me we need some kind of organizational structure for the rather not small number of 20- and 30-something people to fall into which is divorced from the fringes of the Tea Party. Because not wanting authoritarians to hold a majority in Congress or have SWAT teams kill your dog is an exceedingly moderate position.

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post #7

Yep, see what happened in the Arabic countries (and some other countries outside of the Islam-sphere). People organised to protest using the Internet. People get educated using the Internet. In Cuba they exchange information using thumb drives. And every bullshitter (= our governments) should be afraid of it. They are, of course. And surveillance is their reaction. What will help is if everyone finally realises that…

Actually in Cuba people (not the gov) have huge (like city wide) WiFi networks. The hell with the internet, the wifi has it all. (almost all)

My personal goal is to create apps for that WiFi, sounds fun optimizing a website for 802.11G 54Mb/s.

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post #8

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They also say a lot of things they truly mean before they develop a "shut up filter" later on in life.

I think you're being too harsh. I've personally said much worse things, and it would deeply shame me to have a trivial statement (not action, statement) follow me in the media for the rest of my life. Especially if it were in a private conversation. He was careless. Most teenagers are. He was probably not even seriously thinking when he said it. He's almost 30 now. Let's judge the man on what he says today.

> Let's judge the man on what he says today.

I have judged him and Facebook by their words and actions: I've never had a Facebook account.

(And I don't think he's changed much since he wrote that.)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if everyone already realised that it's not about terrorism but doesn't know how to act and therefore falls into cynicism? If anyone knows what to do please step up and lead I am happy to follow.

>If anyone knows what to do please step up and lead I am happy to follow. It think you've actually hit the nail on the head here. What we need is some leaders. When you think about the civil rights movement and other successful movements, you can name names. To some extent we have leaders, but they're more ideological leaders than meet-here-and-do-this leaders. We need people who can organize other people, so that we…

What about librarians? They seem to fit the type, and this is a good time for them to show people their strengths.
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