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I'm not sure I can agree with the article's claim that these experiments were necessary: "Without that terrifying two-headed dog, in other words, we’d all go down with our failing kidneys." Eventually we would have found other ways to collect the data needed for safe organ transplants than using live mammals. It probably would have delayed the introduction of transplant procedures on humans, so in that sense there wo…

That cure for cancer won't work for so many reasons.

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#22

This is sick. The idea of two headed dog is not as sick in itself as is the clear misery these animals are experiencing.

In Buddha's view life itself is a misery/suffering (his term was "Dukkha"). Yes, I can agree with you and support imposing limits upon our world and evolution, or I can recognize that we might be subjective in our assertions, much too subjective sometimes.

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This is sick. The idea of two headed dog is not as sick in itself as is the clear misery these animals are experiencing.

Come on people. What about thousands and thousands of disease model lab rats, genetically engineered to suffer cancer and other horrible illnesses? Should we stop biological and drug research? Misery is electrons flying in the brain.

Would you empathize with a computer program simulating pain model, when pain level is increased, or when computer is powered off? Animal is a mechanism.

Canidae in nature have no problem with killing or inflicting suffering btw.

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#24
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The conslusion of the article pictures the whole misery of false thinking. Two headed dog was not the reason for successful kidney transplant. Kidney transplant would be fine(r). Justifing this kind of lunacy is just lame. Humans want it all and want it now no matter the cost. Why do we have failing kidneys? I will not go into that direction, but just saying. Live healthy and you will not need the two headed dog to s…

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I call this experiment an exploration. What we explored in the past or might come to explore in our future wasn't, isn't, and won't be always wonderful. Sometimes it is horrendous and scares our inner animal but, at the end of the day, I (for one) am glad to see this territory charted.

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post #23

This is sick. The idea of two headed dog is not as sick in itself as is the clear misery these animals are experiencing.

Come on people. What about thousands and thousands of disease model lab rats, genetically engineered to suffer cancer and other horrible illnesses? Should we stop biological and drug research? Misery is electrons flying in the brain. Would you empathize with a computer program simulating pain model, when pain level is increased, or when computer is powered off? Animal is a mechanism. Canidae in nature have no problem…

Humans are animals too, and we empathize with them, so there has to be a line somewhere. You either don't empathize with anyone, or you empathize with everyone.

We currently believe that it's worth sacrificing mice to make people's lives better, but we would do that, we're people. Hopefully, in the future, no living being will have to suffer for any reason.

> Canidae in nature have no problem with killing or inflicting suffering btw.

If you want to be held to the standards of dogs, nobody will stop you. I'd like to think I know better.

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post #23

This is sick. The idea of two headed dog is not as sick in itself as is the clear misery these animals are experiencing.

Come on people. What about thousands and thousands of disease model lab rats, genetically engineered to suffer cancer and other horrible illnesses? Should we stop biological and drug research? Misery is electrons flying in the brain. Would you empathize with a computer program simulating pain model, when pain level is increased, or when computer is powered off? Animal is a mechanism. Canidae in nature have no problem…

Apply as a volunteer for those experiments you are also just a mechanism, no?

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You can compensate humans for what you do to them. We invented money for that. Furthermore, humans can make decisions to weigh up the costs, benefits and risks associated with any such offer.

Animals can neither be compensated nor communicate their preferences for such decisions.

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