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Ubuntu Edge fails to raise goal

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Re: Ubuntu Edge fails to raise goal

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post #7

Genuine off-topic question: why didn't they go through Kickstarter, to potentially reach more users (although a $32M goal is huge)?

kickstarter takes a 5% cut, and indiegogo takes a 4% cut. the difference is $320,000, no small amount!

i don't think kickstarter would've brought in anymore investors than putting it on indiegogo -- atleast not 320k worth. the edge probably already saturated to the set of users that would have crowdfunded for it.

Re: Ubuntu Edge fails to raise goal

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe Kickstarter requires more upfront for hardware projects (prototype, etc)

They had a design prototype, that might have been enough. I suspect pricing might have been a part of it, after all, on $32m, even a 1% price difference is a very large amount.

I'm sure these 1% can be negotiated when you bring a 32M$ project.

Re: Ubuntu Edge fails to raise goal

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post #16

I hope this isn't unfair but.. Does this mean that Canonical either don't believe enough in Ubuntu Edge to raise the $20m difference themselves or that Canonical do believe in it but are not able to raise $20m? I have to admit I am skeptical about the commitment of a large, established, company to a product that they are not willing to put their own skin in the game to develop. However, I can understand and have part…

I believe the point of the campaign was not to raise the $32m they needed, they have enough money to do it themselves. The point was to prove to the mobile/carrier industry that there is $32m worth of demand for a change in the way the industry works.

With $12m raised, I think they made a significant step towards that, even if they didn't finish it.

Re: Ubuntu Edge fails to raise goal

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post #16

I hope this isn't unfair but.. Does this mean that Canonical either don't believe enough in Ubuntu Edge to raise the $20m difference themselves or that Canonical do believe in it but are not able to raise $20m? I have to admit I am skeptical about the commitment of a large, established, company to a product that they are not willing to put their own skin in the game to develop. However, I can understand and have part…

how much does canonical make in profits per year? i don't think enough to spend its capital to enter a new market, on a space they have little experience in.

crowdfunding would atleast give them an idea on the demand for Edge, and help generate buzz in the process. of course, if they were confident enough that there was demand for Edge, they would've funded it themselves.

Re: Ubuntu Edge fails to raise goal

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post #16

I hope this isn't unfair but.. Does this mean that Canonical either don't believe enough in Ubuntu Edge to raise the $20m difference themselves or that Canonical do believe in it but are not able to raise $20m? I have to admit I am skeptical about the commitment of a large, established, company to a product that they are not willing to put their own skin in the game to develop. However, I can understand and have part…

I don't think it's unfair, IIRC they were quite explicit about the fact that they were using crowdfunding as a way to measure the market. They would quite definitely have had to "put their own skin in the game" (I want to know what games you've been playing) alongside the crowd funds, but now they know that there isn't a keen enough market outside of nerds and they haven't wasted their money. As a nerd I'm disappointed that the product won't make it to the market, but as a businessman I think they've found a sane way to determine what punters are prepared to unfold their wallets for.

Re: Ubuntu Edge fails to raise goal

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post #8

I liked the idea, but I refuse to use a phone without a landscape physical keyboard. Virtual keyboards are awful. All of them. They take too much screen real state away from me, yet they're small enough to make me struggle when trying to write something complex like my secure password ... Swype and similar options are not an option either, because I write in different languages, and no matter how good the text predic…

There's a language button right on my Nexus 4 keyboard for fast-switching between languages.

I would never need to write in more than one language in the same message, so it's as simple as 2 taps to switch the entire phone dictionary. I'm not sure how it could get any easier?

Re: Ubuntu Edge fails to raise goal

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post #8

I liked the idea, but I refuse to use a phone without a landscape physical keyboard. Virtual keyboards are awful. All of them. They take too much screen real state away from me, yet they're small enough to make me struggle when trying to write something complex like my secure password ... Swype and similar options are not an option either, because I write in different languages, and no matter how good the text predic…

They work well for most of us. Consumers have expressed a pretty clear preference for large screen size over any inconvenience of virtual keyboards.

Re: Ubuntu Edge fails to raise goal

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post #8

I liked the idea, but I refuse to use a phone without a landscape physical keyboard. Virtual keyboards are awful. All of them. They take too much screen real state away from me, yet they're small enough to make me struggle when trying to write something complex like my secure password ... Swype and similar options are not an option either, because I write in different languages, and no matter how good the text predic…

SwiftKey for Android has worked really well for me when typing in different languages

Re: Ubuntu Edge fails to raise goal

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post #16

I hope this isn't unfair but.. Does this mean that Canonical either don't believe enough in Ubuntu Edge to raise the $20m difference themselves or that Canonical do believe in it but are not able to raise $20m? I have to admit I am skeptical about the commitment of a large, established, company to a product that they are not willing to put their own skin in the game to develop. However, I can understand and have part…

Yeah I was hopping on at least an extension of the campaign. Would have bought one. O well in the end I think it is better that a established manufacture releases a Ubuntu phone (I hope based on the edge) than that Canonical is handling warranty and all that :)
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