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Can Japan reboot its startup culture?

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Re: Can Japan reboot its startup culture?

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In Japan, established companies are king. Nintendo claims to be 100 years old. My buddy's company sells semiconductors, and they also claim to be 100 years old. Of course these companies aren't truly 100 years old, but it means a lot to work an older company. There's a lot of pride in it. Not to mention, banks want to deal with older companies and so do landlords (the article says some are looking for 2 years of prof…

I always thought Nintendo's corporate history was pretty legit? Start with cards, move to games/entertainment, move to video games. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo

I mean they also ran taxi services and love hotels. But I guess other than the taxi service, everything really was about entertainment.

Often though, a younger company just assumes the "body" of the older one. It helps with getting loans from the bank, etc.

Re: Can Japan reboot its startup culture?

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Fascinating article. My only quibble is when it mentioned "tiny South Korea". That population is 50 million, while Japan's is 127 million. So, yes, Korea is smaller, but hardly "tiny" in comparison. And "tiny" probably doesn't refer to land area either. Much of Japan is rural or uninhabitable. In both countries the amount of habitable non-farmland is relatively "tiny". Quite unlike the USA.

iirc Korea has a very small number for domestic consumption compared to Japan (which is an issue when your exports are bound to struggle with the now rising strength of the Won)

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I've been in love with Japan since I was a anime-obsessed kid, and visiting Tokyo in high school was the best travel experience I've ever had. Yet at the same time, I've heard it said that the software landscape in Japan is pretty rough -- bureaucratic, aged, and inefficient. I've found that really upsetting, because Japan has, of course, a reputation for being a technological wonderland. People living in Japan -- na…

> the software landscape in Japan is pretty rough -- bureaucratic, aged, and inefficient

Quite true. Where they excel is physical processes (hardware and people). Within an hour of being there it's evident: monorail quickly ferries you from tarmac to customs (easy), then fingerprint scanner connected to PC running Windows XP craps itself 10 times before success (annoying). Your luggage is neatly arranged on the conveyor by staff so that it's upright, identifiable and simple to pick up (easy). Go to bathroom and grin as the urinal flushes itself, then wash hands with delightful auto soap dispenser and auto basin then quickly egress to the airport subway (great!). Discover onboard wi-fi only accessible using unintelligible pre-paid system (nuts...I need to check my email). Oh well, I'll be at the hotel soon. Check in and bang your head against the wall as they advise one part of their system has the correct check-in/check-out dates, while another critical system has different dates. Lovely clerk talks with manager to find a work-around to a double-booked room. Finally get in hotel room and whip out Macbook Air...Ethernet access only. Off to the local Softbank store to get a dongle. Plug it in - 100/100mbit internet connection (Lovely!).

You're in a state of flux between delight and bewilderment.

Re: Can Japan reboot its startup culture?

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I've been in love with Japan since I was a anime-obsessed kid, and visiting Tokyo in high school was the best travel experience I've ever had. Yet at the same time, I've heard it said that the software landscape in Japan is pretty rough -- bureaucratic, aged, and inefficient. I've found that really upsetting, because Japan has, of course, a reputation for being a technological wonderland. People living in Japan -- na…

I've befriended many Japanese open source hackers in the past year or so (through my own OSS contributions to a project started by a guy originally from Japan - details in links in profile), and I've asked them about the best places to work in the web space.

My conclusion is that the following are the only companies that you should consider if you are in a position to choose (i.e. via your skill): Cookpad, LINE (formerly NHN Japan, formerly Livedoor), DeNA, GREE. That's basically it.

I've seen quite a few non-Japanese Cookpad engineers on Twitter, and heard from @miyagawa that they actually have an "international team" as well (and at least some of these non Japanese engineers seem to live in Tokyo). IIRC they are hiring, so maybe shoot him a msg on Twitter? (his english is one of the best I've seen from someone originally from Japan)

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As a founder of a Japan based startup catering to businesses in Japan (MakeLeaps) and also as a co-organiser of the Hacker News Tokyo Meetups with my co-founder Paul, I found this article to be full of defeatism, inaccurate and generally disappointing.

A few points:

“this is accompanied by a very envious, critical and vocal audience. They underline every possible reason that the product will fail and keep doing so indefatigably. They attack the innovator on Twitter, Facebook, blogs, etc; and they keep doing so until the innovator raises a white flag.”

What.

There's always haters and detractors. That's part of doing anything in life, and start-ups are no exception.

Once, a Japanese guy spent 10 minutes trying to explain that our startup's failure was guaranteed because Japanese people would never upload their company stamp (a necessary function of official Japanese business documents) to a web service. Even after I told him we already have a bunch of users who are doing this, he was steadfast, so I simply crossed him off the list of people to spend time on. Problem solved.

One of the very first things we learned when selling to businesses in Japan is that social proof is a critical factor. So our focus changed to getting even a single business using our software, and then trying to feature them and promote them as much as we could.

It's pretty damn hard for people to say your product is failing when you can show you have a lot of people using it.

The more we did this, the more businesses we could get, and we continued to repeat this process until last month when we finally crossed 10,000 signed up companies in Japan.

Getting to here took years of work. This is part of a startup. Understanding your problem space and challenges, and then adapting your product and marketing message accordingly.

"Japanese businessmen tend not to trust the younger generation."

Oh yeah? Try doing a startup and being in the younger generation, AND being foreigners.

You have to build and earn trust over time. You're not handed a trust card as soon as you open a new business.

"If you look at successful Japanese start-ups, they are mostly run by CEOs who have applied the ‘foreign connection’ in some way"

This is frustratingly inaccurate, and belies a total lack of exposure and understanding of the Japanese startup scene. There are plenty of very successful startups that are based in Japan, and focused on Japan, that have zero foreign elements.

"In some cases, like Mr Son, he has managed to combine all five factors."

Commentating on the Japanese startup scene using the CEO of Softbank as an example, Softbank being a company founded in 1981 with a market cap of 43 billion dollars, makes no sense at all.

"There’s lots of venture capitalists here but they are only interested in games and new media"

Wrong. We get weekly un-solicited contacts from Japanese VCs asking for meetings with us.

This is a result of us hustling very hard over a long period of time, and working very hard to establish our credibility and stability.

The Japanese startup scene definitely has areas where it can improve, but they're at best papered over in this article.

Re: Can Japan reboot its startup culture?

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I've been in love with Japan since I was a anime-obsessed kid, and visiting Tokyo in high school was the best travel experience I've ever had. Yet at the same time, I've heard it said that the software landscape in Japan is pretty rough -- bureaucratic, aged, and inefficient. I've found that really upsetting, because Japan has, of course, a reputation for being a technological wonderland. People living in Japan -- na…

I heard a saying that everyone lives on eight streets at any one point in there life. No matter where you go, if you live there long enough, you'll settle in and find a routine that you're used to.

The first month of living in Japan is bliss. You're learning a new language, playing with really cool public infrastructure, solving problems you didn't imagine you'd run into (is there a three-pronged outlet anywhere in this apartment?!), and seeing things that you'd consider "exotic" on a daily basis.

Once the novelty wears off, you start to understand that you don't quite fit into this culture quite as well as you thought you did. It turns out that growing up in America does infuse you with certain values, and they're not as universal as you think. When people say such-and-such is "part of the culture," that means that on an individual level, that thing is part of people's value system.

Going home before everyone else, for example, isn't just awkward; it's wrong. It's unfair that some of your coworkers have to stay late and some get to go home. What would your mother think? Why are you complaining that you can't use an ATM after 10pm? Why would you ever want to do that? Is it because you're irresponsible and bad at planning? Or are you just using it to stay out all night drinking?

Right now you might think you're alright with the working hours because, hey, Japan! But when your version of "Japan" is your apartment, your desk, the bar after work, and your train commute that you've cut down by 15 minutes due to your supreme knowledge of entrance positioning, you will wonder what happened to those dreams of castles, temples and teahouses. You could plan a trip somewhere, but you'd have to take a day off work when everyone's so busy, and that would be wrong.

Re: Can Japan reboot its startup culture?

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Until their culture changes drastically I'm going to say No, for the following reasons:

- It is too risk averse. Making big mistakes, especially with your career, is looked down upon and it makes you a social pariah.

- Japan is too brand name obsessed and it's not limited to products either. It extends to your career, as to what company you work for and what schools you graduated from. i.e. You need to work for already successful companies. It also doesn't look too kindly on drop outs or anyone different either, who are probably the very people building successful start ups.

- While the younger generation is better, Japan still has a xenophobic society. Most foreigners unless they are of Japanese descent still can't get citizenship. Foreigners bring a lot of innovation and different ideas to the start up sector that Japan misses out on it. The US isn't perfect on this matter either, but compared to Japan it's way better.

In Japan's defense, most of the EU suffer similar problems.

Re: Can Japan reboot its startup culture?

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I've been in love with Japan since I was a anime-obsessed kid, and visiting Tokyo in high school was the best travel experience I've ever had. Yet at the same time, I've heard it said that the software landscape in Japan is pretty rough -- bureaucratic, aged, and inefficient. I've found that really upsetting, because Japan has, of course, a reputation for being a technological wonderland. People living in Japan -- na…

> the software landscape in Japan is pretty rough -- bureaucratic, aged, and inefficient Quite true. Where they excel is physical processes (hardware and people). Within an hour of being there it's evident: monorail quickly ferries you from tarmac to customs (easy), then fingerprint scanner connected to PC running Windows XP craps itself 10 times before success (annoying). Your luggage is neatly arranged on the conve…

This was a delightful read, but I don't believe accurate. I'm writing this from tokyo at the moment (on vacation) and I haven't experienced any software hiccups.

The fingerprint reader at customs worked fine.

WiFi on the high speed train from Narita worked wonderfully. I signed up on the browser redirection, registered for the 1-day free offer for Visa cardholders, they correctly allowed me access to the CA so the connection was secure and their certificate signed. It was generally quite smooth.

Google Maps' detail in Tokyo is unbelievable. "Ginza line towards Shibuya station. Walk for 2m. Take the stairway down to the 1st floor. Walk for 25m" I am not making this up.

Re: Can Japan reboot its startup culture?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your best bet would be getting hired by a foreign firm and then laterally transferred to their Tokyo office. Neither not speaking Japanese nor failing to possess a CS degree will make it impossible for you to do IT work at e.g. the Tokyo branches of large foreign investment banks. If one goes strictly by the published requirements, it would not be straightforward to get you an engineering status of residence (so that…

Just to pile on: It's hard to overstate how large the language barrier is in Japan. For all intents and purposes, nobody speaks English and therefore you cannot speak, listen, write, or read anything during your interactions with the people around you. I don't want to scare kmf off from coming here; you should, it's a wonderful country. Just need to manage your expectations...

Is Google Translate totally useless? I've found it does a great job of providing audio in and out, as well as romanization so you can do a hack job from zero. Google Translate even seems to offer a limited IME so you can type roman or kana and it'll guess the kanji.

Shopping in Korean, I can just set it to OCR mode and sorta read labels I don't understand. (Of course, Hangul's probably a lot easier to OCR than kana+kanji.) I've also found that while the store people will respond to me in Korean if they don't see me, once they realize it's me they flip into a common third tongue.

I've even had "conversations" in other languages just by pressing the flip button and letting the other person talk. They can correct any audio recognition failures or just type.

In general, the translations for simple stuff and interactions seem pretty good. Sometimes you need the alternative translations to find one that is accurate. But I wouldn't say you "cannot speak, listen, write, or read anything".

OTOH, sometimes it has odd things. Formal-something I (吾輩) like from the "I am a cat" gets translated as "Spence" (I think the pronoun isn't used much). Or maybe one possible pronunciation of them is close enough to Spence it's used as a name in some place that uses those characters?

Not to mention, you can pick up the kana in a week, and at least the meanings of the basic kanji in a month or two, claims the guy that made the book that did teach me kana in a week. I'd assume if you're gonna go to Japan and be serious, you'd at least listen to the first 10 Pimsleur sessions for basic "hi I can't speak Japanese", and learn the scripts somewhat.

Re: Can Japan reboot its startup culture?

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As a founder of a Japan based startup catering to businesses in Japan (MakeLeaps) and also as a co-organiser of the Hacker News Tokyo Meetups with my co-founder Paul, I found this article to be full of defeatism, inaccurate and generally disappointing. A few points: “this is accompanied by a very envious, critical and vocal audience. They underline every possible reason that the product will fail and keep doing so in…

Kudos guys. I have been following MakeLeaps for the past year and half and it's impressive to see how fast and wisely you have been building up the product. What I really like is that you understand the business needs very well, which is not such a common trait here were too many are trying to "disrupt" industries they barely know or understand.

I always wanted to ask: are you guys looking at expanding in other areas? Like out of Japan and/or offering invoices entry services?

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