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Re: Jolla’s first batch of Sailfish smartphones is fully booked

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Post by ge0rg » Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 4:03 PM UTC

lbenes wrote: post #10

Zigurd wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Android has very very few global gestures. That was an intentional design decision, with global navigation working through the Back, Home, and Recent buttons. I don't think that is functionally inferior to global gestures, and it makes it possible for apps use use more gestures for app-specific UI.

Edge gestures are so fast and intuitive to use, I don't think they should be reserved for apps. The two I find particular useful are the top-edge down to access messages and the bottom-edge up to access your Task Manager. Have you used a phone with an off-screen touch area? Using them for global command makes perfect sense to me. The apps can use whatever gestures they want inside the bezel.

On Android, top-down is used to open the Notifications (where new messages and other pieces of info come in), and starting with some 4.x release, bottom-up opens Google search / Google Now for you.

Re: Jolla’s first batch of Sailfish smartphones is fully booked

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Post by sirkneeland » Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 4:06 PM UTC

lbenes wrote: post #5

Zigurd wrote: post #2

Jolla probably has the best chance of success among the new entrants to the handset OS business. They are not relying on Web apps and the browser runtime, and the people at Jolla have a lot of experience combining Linux and mature, first-tier telephony products. I think Firefox OS has a good chance, too, but they are completely dependent on making Web apps work well on a battery powered device. So far, that's hasn't…

In a resource/power constrained device, the last thing I want is to have all my apps restricted to a heavy-weight VM. Jolla and Ubuntu both offer native applications. I haven't used Jolla yet, but I love the gesture based Ubuntu and Blackberry 10 UIs. If Android and iOS don't move in this direction, they will get left behind.

I have used Jolla's Sailfish OS and it is the best mobile UI out there, period. When I first used it, excited me in a way I haven't felt since I first used the original iPhone in 2007.

Every aspect of the UI is designed to be a superb mobile experience for simple, one-handed use.

Whereas other platforms compromise the phone UI to force a consistency with other form factors as part of a larger strategic play, the Sailfish team had one focus: make the best damn phone UI possible.

Re: Jolla’s first batch of Sailfish smartphones is fully booked

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Post by sirkneeland » Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 4:07 PM UTC

lbenes wrote: post #10

Zigurd wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Android has very very few global gestures. That was an intentional design decision, with global navigation working through the Back, Home, and Recent buttons. I don't think that is functionally inferior to global gestures, and it makes it possible for apps use use more gestures for app-specific UI.

Edge gestures are so fast and intuitive to use, I don't think they should be reserved for apps. The two I find particular useful are the top-edge down to access messages and the bottom-edge up to access your Task Manager. Have you used a phone with an off-screen touch area? Using them for global command makes perfect sense to me. The apps can use whatever gestures they want inside the bezel.

Aww, you got me thinking of the gesture area on the Palm Pre...sheds a tear, renews vow to never buy HP anything out of spite

Re: Jolla’s first batch of Sailfish smartphones is fully booked

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Post by Zigurd » Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 4:09 PM UTC

orlandob wrote: post #8

Switched from iPhone 5 to Nokia N9 and I'm loving it. Can't believe how superior MeeGo is to iOS and how it was ignored. I will definitely purchase a Jolla/Sailfish device in the future.

Meego wasn't just ignored, it was killed so it wouldn't embarrass Windows Phone. You have to wonder if Nokia could have made a billion each quarter instead of taking a handout from Microsoft, much of which was returned in licensing fees.

Re: Jolla’s first batch of Sailfish smartphones is fully booked

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Post by sirkneeland » Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 4:12 PM UTC

orlandob wrote: post #8

Switched from iPhone 5 to Nokia N9 and I'm loving it. Can't believe how superior MeeGo is to iOS and how it was ignored. I will definitely purchase a Jolla/Sailfish device in the future.

I have a 2-way tie for "best smartphone made" between the N9 and the HP Pre 3. Both even today offer an experience that is simply brilliant.

it's a shame the N9's Swipe UI didn't come into existence until after Elop and the BoD committed to giving Nokia a lobotomy and turning it into just another OEM...maybe it would have swayed enough minds to stop what happened.

I look forward to Jolla breaking this tie though and establishing itself as number 1.

Re: Jolla’s first batch of Sailfish smartphones is fully booked

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Post by sirkneeland » Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 4:40 PM UTC

ge0rg wrote: post #11

lbenes wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edge gestures are so fast and intuitive to use, I don't think they should be reserved for apps. The two I find particular useful are the top-edge down to access messages and the bottom-edge up to access your Task Manager. Have you used a phone with an off-screen touch area? Using them for global command makes perfect sense to me. The apps can use whatever gestures they want inside the bezel.

On Android, top-down is used to open the Notifications (where new messages and other pieces of info come in), and starting with some 4.x release, bottom-up opens Google search / Google Now for you.

That may be the case for nexus, but on my HTC One that bottom-up gesture doesn't work

Re: Jolla’s first batch of Sailfish smartphones is fully booked

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Post by pessimizer » Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 4:57 PM UTC

meapix wrote: post #3

who cares, my n900 using maemo is still doing the job

Mine isn't - it started off underpowered, and before the thick-client javascript wave came and broke the internet. Browsing on it has become like torture.

I'd rather have my N900 than any other phone on the market, though.

Re: Jolla’s first batch of Sailfish smartphones is fully booked

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Post by meapix » Thu, Aug 22, 2013, 3:32 PM UTC

pessimizer wrote: post #17

meapix wrote: post #3

who cares, my n900 using maemo is still doing the job

Mine isn't - it started off underpowered, and before the thick-client javascript wave came and broke the internet. Browsing on it has become like torture. I'd rather have my N900 than any other phone on the market, though.

you can always chroot