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Judge sentences Bradley Manning to 35 years

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Re: Judge sentences Bradley Manning to 35 years

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Post by veritas20 »

lotso wrote: post #66
zeteo wrote: post #35

>Manning, 25, was convicted last month [...] The government had asked [for] 60 years. “There is value in deterrence, your honor; this court must send a message [...] National security crimes that undermine the entire system must be taken seriously.” This is not the rule of law. It is a government that is increasingly relying on citizen ignorance to secretly make and implement policy, and on savage reprisals to terror…

Bradley Manning released a dump of over 700,000 files. Although there were some documents that revealed possible war crimes, there was no do due diligence performed to verify that the rest of the files were not putting people in danger. I'm curious as to how people are justifying those actions? If someone releases a huge dump of classified files, without any possible war crimes, would we still defend them?

How about if someone revealed the identities of CIA agents? Scooter Libby...remember him? He's chilling somewhere right now as a free man.

Re: Judge sentences Bradley Manning to 35 years

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Post by herbig »

Zikes wrote: post #10

> including 112 days of credit for abusive treatment he was subjected to at the Marine Corps brig in Quantico, Va. They openly acknowledge abusive treatment, but has anyone received criminal disciplinary action over it? 112 days also seems a tad low considering what I've heard of his experience.

Credit for abuse served. Maybe one could request abusive treatment and get out in half the time?

Re: Judge sentences Bradley Manning to 35 years

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Post by veritas20 »

at-fates-hands wrote: post #60
flexie wrote: post #14

This is a disgrace. They send a young man to prison for 35 years for uncovering possible war crimes and a bunch of diplomatic fiddle-faddle. He is not eligible for parole until he has served 1/3 of the time.

>>>and a bunch of diplomatic fiddle-faddle. Oh really? http://www.wavy.com/news/military/evidence-of-damage-from-ma... "The 250,000 diplomatic cables that Pfc. Bradley Manning disclosed through WikiLeaks endangered the lives of foreign citizens and made some international human-rights workers reluctant to seek U.S. help, a State Department official testified Friday." "Kozak said some of the cables that Manning downlo…

and what about Scooter Libby?

Re: Judge sentences Bradley Manning to 35 years

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Post by jpttsn »

gbog wrote: post #79

There has been a long history of people standing against their government at the risk of their lives, because some few principles of morality are higher than governments. We have seen the case of Thoreau and friends, against slavery. And then De Gaulle and friends, against Hitler. In old China, it was also very common for confucean public servant to criticise their emperor and wait for the supplice. Now we have Bradl…

> These are obvious to those who know them, and useless (or dangerous, even) to the rest.

That sounds like a dangerous way to think about things.

Re: Judge sentences Bradley Manning to 35 years

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Post by selfrespect »

rayiner wrote: post #87
monsterix wrote: post #2

Very sad. So the guys who murdered innocents in another country using machine guns sitting on top of a helicopter are yet to be tried. While the guys who stood up for humanity and true spirit of serving forces for good is sentenced 35 years. And I know a lot of people would troll me on this opinion itself.

Uh, if you actually read up on the helicopter video, you'll see that Assange plays a game of "hide the ball" with what really happens in the video: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_12,_2007_Baghdad_airstrike . Specifically: 1) The company had been under fire all morning and the Apaches were called in by a soldier on the ground under attack at the location where the journalists were; 2) Among the group of men the two…

I've seen you apologize for the NSA spying on everyone, for Google giving all of our data to the NSA while putting on their best "don't be evil" face and now you apologize for scum shooting innocent people from helicopters (AND ENJOYING IT!).

You're a terrible person, how do you live with yourself?

Re: Judge sentences Bradley Manning to 35 years

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Post by throwaway9848 »

pinaceae wrote: post #47
zeteo wrote: post #35

>Manning, 25, was convicted last month [...] The government had asked [for] 60 years. “There is value in deterrence, your honor; this court must send a message [...] National security crimes that undermine the entire system must be taken seriously.” This is not the rule of law. It is a government that is increasingly relying on citizen ignorance to secretly make and implement policy, and on savage reprisals to terror…

No, this is the Armed Forces code of conduct. He broke the laws of his organization, was before a court of that same org. This is internal. Once you wear a uniform, other rules apply. secrecy has a different impact, loyalty as well. Civilians might not like it or even understand, but Manning hopefully did when he chose to join the Armed Forces. Snowden is different, just a contractor. But Manning joined the club, bro…

Every single thing you wrote is objectively correct, but in spite of that there are a couple of dozen responses calling you names and saying you are wrong. Fascinating.

Anyway, I'm personally glad that the military has finally prosecuted him and that he can get on with his life after serving his time.

Re: Judge sentences Bradley Manning to 35 years

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Post by LekkoscPiwa »

pinaceae wrote: post #47
zeteo wrote: post #35

>Manning, 25, was convicted last month [...] The government had asked [for] 60 years. “There is value in deterrence, your honor; this court must send a message [...] National security crimes that undermine the entire system must be taken seriously.” This is not the rule of law. It is a government that is increasingly relying on citizen ignorance to secretly make and implement policy, and on savage reprisals to terror…

No, this is the Armed Forces code of conduct. He broke the laws of his organization, was before a court of that same org. This is internal. Once you wear a uniform, other rules apply. secrecy has a different impact, loyalty as well. Civilians might not like it or even understand, but Manning hopefully did when he chose to join the Armed Forces. Snowden is different, just a contractor. But Manning joined the club, bro…

Manning swore to protect the US Constitution and did just that. I wish there were more citizens in the uniforms who take their oaths as seriously as he did. The same goes regarding Manning.

Re: Judge sentences Bradley Manning to 35 years

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Post by GVIrish »

vonmoltke wrote: post #105
revelation wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What he leaked was available to 1.5+ million people in the USA. It is not by any reasonable meaning of the word classified, it is the proceedings of a seperate class of society.

Where are you getting that number from?

Number of people with Top Secret clearances I believe.

Re: Judge sentences Bradley Manning to 35 years

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Post by crgt »

pinaceae wrote: post #47
zeteo wrote: post #35

>Manning, 25, was convicted last month [...] The government had asked [for] 60 years. “There is value in deterrence, your honor; this court must send a message [...] National security crimes that undermine the entire system must be taken seriously.” This is not the rule of law. It is a government that is increasingly relying on citizen ignorance to secretly make and implement policy, and on savage reprisals to terror…

No, this is the Armed Forces code of conduct. He broke the laws of his organization, was before a court of that same org. This is internal. Once you wear a uniform, other rules apply. secrecy has a different impact, loyalty as well. Civilians might not like it or even understand, but Manning hopefully did when he chose to join the Armed Forces. Snowden is different, just a contractor. But Manning joined the club, bro…

Do the rules prohibit, say, a General lying to Congress?
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