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Steak and eggs. Quick, tasty, high in protein, low in carbs. Considered a traditional breakfast.
Requires cooking, not quick.
When is it ever healthy to rush preparing and eating your meals on a regular basis?
Soylent: What Happened When I Stopped Eating For 2 Weeks
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#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
One of the best parts about this whole Soylent debacle is getting to watch well-known people make complete fools of themselves by commenting on things that they clearly know absolutely nothing about, but still feel like they have the right to make authoritative statements on.
That's true, from both the "for" and "against sides". Anyone who things that only happens on one of the sides should check their confirmation bias. And no, this is not an "every opinion deserves equal airtime" claim. The vast majority of nutrition and health experts draw on a mix of science, pseudo science and superstition, and assume it is all science. (Quick check: Think salt intake causes hypertension? That dietar…
As a young-ish person with hyper tension who was told to cut back on the salt, I would love to see you back up your claims.
Could you link to a few relevant medical studies?
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#163Ask author: did you kept regular "eating" times or did you sip here and there from the bottle ?
How did the eating time socialization worked out ? Did you zap them ?
How would you explain the fact that you seamed intellectually more alert ? Do you think it can only be the food ? Or could the fitness you did contribute to it ?
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#164This is all a bit silly. Here's an advertisement for a bunch of full meal replacements for people of normal health or crappier: http://www.abbottnutrition.ca/static/cms_workspace/en_CA/con... As you can see, they've been on the market for decades, and people have been using them as sole-source nutrition for decades.
Unless Amazon is really overpriced, it seems 1500 calories of Ensure Regular is $36, while 2400 calories of Soylent is $9
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I'm not in a position to do step 2 on this subject, as I'm not sufficiently into nutrition or medicine or judge the claims in the article independently, and for a non peer-reviewed source addressing what looks like a food fad, there's a good chance that it won't be worth my time to repair that deficiency.
I believe the parent's point wasn't the accuracy of the information you'd be receiving, but just the exercise of evaluating conflicting viewpoints and coming out more enlightened as a result of it. Believe it or not, being able to apply that anywhere (as opposed to just thinking you can) is a skill, and skills need practice. It's an important part of thinking critically, and it can easily be lacking in a lot of very…
I think you've captured the essence of the point I was trying to make, well.
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#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
"recommending we throw out any pretensions of objectivity or science or knowledge in favor of "do what you feel"." Not so. Mental agility, weight, blood pressure are all easy and inexpensive to track. A person's perception of how well they slept, overall feeling of well being, etc., can also be tracked if they are careful to quantify and record them. I think you underestimate the power of carefully recorded data, whi…
Here is what you said earlier: >If your aim is for improved mental function, more energy, less health problems, etc., you don't need to know how to interpret any obscure tests. You'll know. The above directly contradicts your most recent reply, since it obviously precludes the possibility of any meaningful quantification. "Screw the tests, you'll know" is precisely the opposite of objective analysis. We'll know what…
I'm not arguing for Soylent, but arguing that people should personally test out low-risk dietary changes and see for themselves if they help.
Many argue against Soylent by arguing that we need some careful studies before anyone should try it. I think that is overkill for a food product like Soylent.
As for how to tell if Soylent or anything else is helping you, big changes should be obvious, smaller changes would require careful quantified-self style tracking to detect. Sorry if I wasn't more clear, but by obscure test I'm referring to blood work and other harder to interpret tests. Easy to interpret tests are reaction time, weight, fast arithmetic tests for mental agility, as well as recording qualitative feelings of health quantitatively, in a consistent and rigorous manner.
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As for this article on the Soylent trial, my take was it had "some promising initial signs given the short duration of the trial". Hardly blind enthusiasm.
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#167I will never understand why would anyone eat the same food everyday. Eating is fun, more fun than anything i know of.
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Can you name 2 or 3 (1?) that are marketed for 15-20 meals per week? Ensure Complete (but not any other versions of Ensure) is sorta close but marketed as a supplement.
None are marketed for 15-20 meals because the manufacturers know it's not feasible. It's quite different with fundraising, where you can claim whatever you want since it's all still fantasy.
OP wrote "plethora of well known and well researched meal replacement solutions out there"
I'm just wondering if OP can name even one such solution.
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> There are a few that are complete diet replacements, mostly used for medical purposes, but the fact that they're designed for patients who can't eat means that there is a lot of room for improvement given Soylent's different target market. There's no difference. The point is that those are expensive because getting a concoction of nutrients that doesn't damage you in the long term is hard .
Of course it's hard, I don't think anyone has claimed it's easy. For some reason this subject hits a nerve with some people really, really hard (Aside: it's actually really fascinating to think about why that is. Health concerns are definitely not enough to explain the level of vitriol.). Those people then tend to use some really disingenuous arguments against Soylent. For example, I can't say how many times I've see…
It hits a nerve because it's being advertised as a candidate for full-time meal replacement. Pizza rolls and fast food are not, so the comparison between the two is a false equivalency.
>Obviously he didn't go through a traditional degree program in nutrition, but I've seen what comes out of a lot of those traditional degree programs, and that's really not much of an argument against him.
That's another false equivalency. Nutritional programs do not produce scientists, but not being in a nutritional program doesn't suddenly make you a scientist.
>Well, no, he spent quite a significant amount of time reading textbooks and journals, getting a pretty reasonable grounding in the science. It's also not like it's his first time studying science, seeing as he is an engineer
Engineers do not practice the type of science required to develop new food/drugs. Where are the long term studies across various demographics with double-blind tests? The lack of those is what makes this "anti-intellectual".
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#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
One of the best parts about this whole Soylent debacle is getting to watch well-known people make complete fools of themselves by commenting on things that they clearly know absolutely nothing about, but still feel like they have the right to make authoritative statements on.
Funnily enough, that's the whole pitch for Soylent. "I'm just a smart guy with a fresh pair of eyes who spent a few weekends reading undergrad textbooks and skimming pubmed". Not: "we're a large company with deeply-interested professionals who've made this their life's work, our own multi-million dollar labs and decades of accumulated experience in the development, testing, validation and manufacture of temporary foo…
This is how Americans think, though. They believe that people who have no idea what they're doing are fonts of magic wisdom. It's part of their egalitarian faith.