29% of Bay Area's particulate air pollution comes from across the Pacific (2010)
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Re: 29% of Bay Area's particulate air pollution comes from across the Pacific (2010)
#2If we want to do anything about CO2 and pollution in the atmosphere, the low hanging fruit is China.
Every country has stuff it can do, but China is on the 80% side of the 80/20 rule.
Re: 29% of Bay Area's particulate air pollution comes from across the Pacific (2010)
#3If we want to do anything about CO2 and pollution in the atmosphere, the low hanging fruit is China. Every country has stuff it can do, but China is on the 80% side of the 80/20 rule.
I wonder if there will ever be a war over something like this.
Re: 29% of Bay Area's particulate air pollution comes from across the Pacific (2010)
#4If we want to do anything about CO2 and pollution in the atmosphere, the low hanging fruit is China. Every country has stuff it can do, but China is on the 80% side of the 80/20 rule.
The low hanging fruit is always getting others doing something. I for myself see the low hanging fruits with the things I can do or influence.
Re: 29% of Bay Area's particulate air pollution comes from across the Pacific (2010)
#5If we want to do anything about CO2 and pollution in the atmosphere, the low hanging fruit is China. Every country has stuff it can do, but China is on the 80% side of the 80/20 rule.
I wonder if there will ever be a war over something like this.
Somehow I doubt full-scale military action is conducive to lowered emissions.
Re: 29% of Bay Area's particulate air pollution comes from across the Pacific (2010)
#6If we want to do anything about CO2 and pollution in the atmosphere, the low hanging fruit is China. Every country has stuff it can do, but China is on the 80% side of the 80/20 rule.
Even lower hanging fruit is the stupid fires in Indonesia (both wildfires and to clear land). We could pay to either employ those farmers in something else, or to upgrade how they manage their land, for cheaper than CO2/pollution savings in US industry.
Re: 29% of Bay Area's particulate air pollution comes from across the Pacific (2010)
#7If we want to do anything about CO2 and pollution in the atmosphere, the low hanging fruit is China. Every country has stuff it can do, but China is on the 80% side of the 80/20 rule.
Even lower hanging fruit is the stupid fires in Indonesia (both wildfires and to clear land). We could pay to either employ those farmers in something else, or to upgrade how they manage their land, for cheaper than CO2/pollution savings in US industry.
Are wildfires in Indonesia stupid? Some ecosystems rely on periodic naturally occurring wildfires.
Re: 29% of Bay Area's particulate air pollution comes from across the Pacific (2010)
#8If we want to do anything about CO2 and pollution in the atmosphere, the low hanging fruit is China. Every country has stuff it can do, but China is on the 80% side of the 80/20 rule.
I wonder if there will ever be a war over something like this.
Water, not CO2, and less of it, not more, but I think that does rate as "something like this":
http://missingpeace.eu/en/2013/06/egyptian-cabinet-discuss-w... (Ethiopia is building a hydro-electric dam; filling its lake will mean less water will flow into Egypt for a while; seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Ethiopian_Renaissance_Dam... )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_conflict
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_conflict_between_Ethiopia...
Re: 29% of Bay Area's particulate air pollution comes from across the Pacific (2010)
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even lower hanging fruit is the stupid fires in Indonesia (both wildfires and to clear land). We could pay to either employ those farmers in something else, or to upgrade how they manage their land, for cheaper than CO2/pollution savings in US industry.
Are wildfires in Indonesia stupid? Some ecosystems rely on periodic naturally occurring wildfires.
They're not naturally occurring, they're set either accidentally or intentionally by humans for the most part, either to clear the land or in the process of stealing stuff (either from plantations, or as plantations, depending on your politics).
The scary thing is people are draining the peat bogs; if those catch on fire (peat is a great fuel, basically dirty coal), a lot of carbon goes into the atmosphere which would otherwise have been sequestered for centuries+.
I'm fine with small wildfires clearing out fuel in a place which otherwise builds up fuel for bigger fires, but that's not Indonesia.
Re: 29% of Bay Area's particulate air pollution comes from across the Pacific (2010)
#10A lot of this pollution is just a remnant from when China's economy was still largely manufacturing-based. Now that this percentage is beginning to change, (mid 30s in mid 2000s down to high 20s now), the government seems earnest in their attempts to curb pollution.
See:
http://www.businessinsider.com/china-pollution-business-oppo...
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/01/31/china-diesel-standa...