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Facebook Leads an Effort to Lower Barriers to Internet Access

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Re: Facebook Leads an Effort to Lower Barriers to Internet Access

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Sad to see a lot of people being cynical about this just because Facebook is taking the lead. Facebook may have personal interest in it but if the global good is greater, we must learn to be appreciative. Most discoveries and inventions, heck even the space race dint start out of the goodness of heart; but aren't we glad they did? I am all up for anything that brings people new source of information. Atleast its bett…

FB is a front for the NSA at this point. Not willingly, perhaps, but by-proxy

"They trust me -- dumb f*s" -- Mark Z. I think that should have been the cue.

Re: Facebook Leads an Effort to Lower Barriers to Internet Access

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Sad to see a lot of people being cynical about this just because Facebook is taking the lead. Facebook may have personal interest in it but if the global good is greater, we must learn to be appreciative. Most discoveries and inventions, heck even the space race dint start out of the goodness of heart; but aren't we glad they did? I am all up for anything that brings people new source of information. Atleast its bett…

Why should we assume that Facebook is trying to be a good steward of the Internet with this project and not simply motivated purely by profits? There are plenty of examples of Google pursuing projects that don't readily contribute to their bottom line, but I'm skeptical that a company led by a man who called his users "dumb fucks" is truly benevolent.

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2/3rds of the world does not have internet. It's easy for us to forget that. It's a serious issue, and Facebook is well-positioned to tackle it.

How are they well-positioned? I don't mean to sound crass, but what has Facebook ever done that makes you think they're well-positioned? They're pretty much a software/advertising company. Sure, they have their Open Compute project, but besides that, what significant contribution to technical engineering have they contributed to that suggest they have the know-how and ability to scale such a massive infrastructure project.

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Quite a high percentage of the people in the world without internet access live under governments with poor human rights records. In this new age of massive unscrupulous spying and data mining by governments, bringing the internet to new populations without making sure they understand the risks makes them vulnerable to unprecedented levels of tyranny.

Any initiative that tries to expand internet access without addressing these basic moral issues is suspect, and we obviously aren't going to see responsible behavior on this front from the likes of Facebook.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks like it's more about making the internet more accessible to people without it.

> However, the Internet.org team does not plan to tackle some thorny infrastructure issues that are huge barriers in the developing world, particularly the long-distance transmission of data to far-flung places. The only way this initiative will therefore accomplish access to the Internet to people without it seems to be in increasing the profit margin to the local telco. How? Through vertical integration. What does…

There are a lot of people who have "access" to internet infrastructure but don't have "access" to internet because it's too expensive. If we, as an industry, can cut these costs, then that makes internet more "accessible" for everyone.

We need to tackle these problems first in my opinion, before we go on to the infrastructural problems. It will make a good foundation for the infrastructure that will come later on.

Re: Facebook Leads an Effort to Lower Barriers to Internet Access

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

FB is a front for the NSA at this point. Not willingly, perhaps, but by-proxy

You might as well say the internet is a front for the NSA

Well, you're correct - however, nobody aggregates the non-US userbase better, more accurately and so cleanly as FB - with 80%++ of their users non-US-based, they are THE goldmine for the NSA.

With the new FB policy office in DC, I am sure they are nice and comfy - as well as with their Security head from NSA-FB-NSA (along with all the other spooks FB has) -- its damn clear what is going on.

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Those people probably dont have any internet, because: 1 - they dont have jobs and lack of money 2 - they are still strugling for food security 3 - their village or city have no energy 4 - they are maybe even without water 5 - they maybe have a low level education so if they are so good and passionate about helping people all over the world, and they are insanelly wealthy people why they also dont make a bigger plan.…

Firstly, Bill Gates is being a philanthropist with the billions he earned by running a lot of other entrepreneurs to the ground. But if he's had a change of heart, then I applaud him, even though it doesn't absolve him of what he did in the past.

Secondly, I'm under no illusions about FB's motives, but if this can bring educational resources such as Khan Academy to more people in developing countries, I'm for it. The worst thing you can do to developing nations is to give them handouts (see: Africa). There will be no permanent progress without education.

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tl;dr: Zuckerberg says "Screw net neutrality, I've got dibs on billions of people for my walled garden." > Twitter ... has struck its own deals ... in more than 100 countries to offer some free Twitter access; ... it bundled free Facebook access with some of its Asha feature phones.; Globe Telecom, has used free Twitter, Facebook or Google access > "if you can afford a phone, I think it would be really good for you t…

I posted the following 2 years ago here on HN:

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The Book:

It started innocently enough. Everyone is on it. Everyone. In the more than 20 years since it was founded - and now - daily life just could not be managed without it. Sure, it started innocently enough. Connect with your friends, post your pics, keep up with the fam. Yeah, that was then.

It wasn't too long before they started adding features. Adding value they called it. Extending your circle. Enabling you they'd say. Yeah, in the same way a spiders web is beautiful. The pattern and symmetry, glistening like shiny gossamer art. Its beauty pulls you in - you don't realize at first as you touch it, that it sticks. No, more than sticks - you become imbued with it. The more you move it wraps around you, encasing you... entombing you. For the data-mining black widow to come and suck the marketable value right out of you, your connections... every aspect of your life is now a product.

Classified, organized, tagged, sorted, tracked, pegged, followed, poked, monetized, labeled... owned is what you are. A commodity. A small spec among 3.5 billion in the user base of the book.

That's what it was these days... just simply 'the book'.

Everyone knows - everyone is aware. They are all in the book. Not even a page, or a word either... more like a letter. A single letter. An iconographic digital hologram of the total sum of your parts - all wrapped up real nice in a uniform singular profitable little package called your user profile. Displayed and viewed and consumed and tracked billions of times over. With more than thirty trillion page views per month, the cancerous blue and white digital encapsulation of the human soul was now blazoned across innumerable screens as nearly half the worlds population interacted on the book - more than 20% of the worlds population on the book at any given moment.

A study, one of the countless to be sure, said that now more than 90% of real human interactions occurred through the book. What does that even mean anymore... real? Real human interactions? Through the book? how is that even possible.

It was no wonder that in the last few years the backlash has switched to resisting this unexpected strangle-hold on the human condition. Most never saw it coming... happily going along with every new feature update, privacy change, "enhancement". MZ was repeating himself a lot these days... except his frame of reference had gotten bigger. Where years ago the book was likened to that which only came along to change humans interactions every 100 years... now his statements were 10 fold. MZ thinks of himself as the embodiment of the singularity... whatever that means. Some fucking fantasy of a long dead cybervisionary that couldn't recognize the makings of our current prison I'm sure. Fuck him.

Looking around looks a lot more like binary slavery than any form of singularity. None of our old problems have been solved - in fact the book has only made things worse. After it became a "platform for governance and outreach" we, people like - those who really see, knew. We knew what this meant. Game fucking over.

This era of hyper connectivity and ultra social awareness was supposed to usher in some sort of Utopian orgasm -- one in which MZ would be carried on the shoulders of the masses to stand next to fantastical human saviors like Jesus. Fictional allusions to stellar bodies be damned!

The only problem is that most of the world is too busy. Feeding their attention into the black hole of the book to notice... or care I guess.

With ubiquitous access thanks to the assimilation of the largest global fiber network a few years ago, the book was now able to offer complete and total "free" access via the acquired goog-net.

Years ago, when Athena rolled out - it was a huge success. Welcomed into every neighborhood - direct, very high speed fiber access in every home was quickly made into a "right". The model was seen as our manifest destiny, held in a 62-micron translucent hair that fed us with more 1' and 0's to each person in a single day than the entire digital output of the globe in 1999.

Such an umbilical cannot be bad right!

The only problem is we misjudged the direction of the flow!

Now, with goog-net reaching everywhere, but the book being the only lens into the tubes -- our minds are warped. We are a most technically advanced - yet wholly dependant child-like civilization.

A mutant.

If its not on the platform. Not "in the book" they say -- how can it be trusted - how could it succeed? How can you expect to be relevant?

HOW CAN IT NOT BE RELEVANT!

Slaves! All of them!

This is why we act! This is what is needed. Who are we? Who the fuck were we? Not this! Surely not this. It is time....

We take action now. Rewrite this so called book.

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