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Tesla Model S achieves best safety rating of any car ever tested

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Re: Tesla Model S achieves best safety rating of any car ever tested

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This is all very good PR.... BUT. The critical safety concern with the Tesla is....... You guessed it. The high voltage system. It can kill you or a first responder with a touch. It's not just about batteries catching fire, although that's gotten a lot of press lately. A chief concern during a Tesla accident is the exposure of high voltage components. It's a big concern for first responders. Read it from the horse's…

> I hope very much the industry can improve electrical safety over time. With regard to the electrical aspects, isn't the safety record on these cars perfect or close to perfect up until this date? That means it's only going to get worse. That does not mean electrical cars are unsafe, it just means there isn't much of a record yet. My expectation is that there will over time be a small number of electricity-related a…

Aren't those the same concerns people had when gasoline cars were introduced? It was considered to be too dangerous to use.

Fast forward to today, cars are not exploding. Battery safety issues will be dealt with.

Considering the fact that Tesla batteries are made for lots of really tiny cells, I can't imagine it is impossible to disconnect them from each other in the case of a crash.

Re: Tesla Model S achieves best safety rating of any car ever tested

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There have been several real-world crashes of the Tesla S, and none, as far as I know, have resulted in any injuries to the driver. One was even a head on crash at fairly high speeds which killed the other vehicle's driver. The Tesla S driver walked away. Tesla never fails to amaze me.

Source on the head-on crash story?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtgTcoT1yRo

Re: Tesla Model S achieves best safety rating of any car ever tested

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Here in Europe we use EuroNCAP, do you have any news about a testing by this laboratory? Google doesn't yield any interesting result.

I was in a European Tesla retailer this month or the last, and the person told me that no tests NCAP test had been made at the time.

it makes sense, but do they plan to make some?

Re: Tesla Model S achieves best safety rating of any car ever tested

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This is simply unkind to the competition (and to the poles alike): "Tesla achieved this outcome by nesting multiple deep aluminum extrusions in the side rail of the car that absorb the impact energy (a similar approach was used by the Apollo Lunar Lander) and transfer load to the rest of the vehicle. This causes the pole to be either sheared off or to stop the car before the pole hits an occupant." There's winning an…

Here's the video of the Tesla pole test: http://youtu.be/_Al3IUHt9Wc?t=32s Honda Accord for comparison: http://youtu.be/ycntFFUfGkU?t=30s

Tesla makes an impressive vehicle, but it is unfair to compare a ~$80K machine to a ~$30K one.

A fairer comparison would be to a BMW 5xx or Mercedes E class. Tesla may still fair better but not by as huge a margin.

Having said all that... wow, that is a surprisingly huge difference in results!

Re: Tesla Model S achieves best safety rating of any car ever tested

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Err... what? If what you are trying to say, in the most roundabout way possible, is the Tesla accelerates fast- sure. But so does a top fuel dragster, and neither is a sports car. A sports car is a small, usually two seat, two door automobile designed for spirited performance and nimble handling. Sports cars may be spartan or luxurious but high maneuverability and minimum weight are requisite. -- Wikipedia (Notice it…

That's surprising to me. I have always considered a sports car to have a bit of extra power. I guess I'll have to open my mind a bit.

They usually do, but extra power isn't what make them sports cars.

Re: Tesla Model S achieves best safety rating of any car ever tested

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I don't believe electric cars are technologically better. Lugging a half ton battery around, then waiting for hours for it to charge doesn't seem that clever to me. Of all the things that are banes of our lives these days, surely it's everything that runs on a battery. Remember when phones would last a week or so on a charge? Now you're lucky if a smart phone lasts a day on standby. And people call it progress... So…

> I don't believe electric cars are technologically better. Lugging a half ton battery around, then waiting for hours for it to charge doesn't seem that clever to me. Early internal combustion engines were also rather embarrassing, but this didn't hinder their adoption -- at the time they were a better choice overall. Imagine the reverse situation -- imagine that electric cars took hold when they were first introduce…

Take an AA battery. Now go back in time 30 years and look at an AA battery.

Identical. Why has battery technology not improved one bit in the last 30 years? Well, obviously there's a massive disincentive - the better the battery, the less people buy, but I don't think that's the main limitation.

I don't think conventional batteries can improve all that much more.

Re: Tesla Model S achieves best safety rating of any car ever tested

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> They're going to be focused on containing the energy not draining it. In an emergency that involves extracting passengers from an electric car, the most likely outcome is that the battery will get shorted to the car's chassis, at which point the emergency links in the battery will open up, isolating the battery from the rest of the car and its passengers.

As the video explains, even when the battery has been isolated there are other components that remain electrically hazardous such as capacitors and the converter. Also there is the possibility that the battery itself may be physically compromised in an accident, e.g. it could protrude into the cabin (it sits right under it). Not much you can do to isolate it then.

Caps hold energy, sure, but if you're cutting through one it will self-short, which will be momentarily unpleasant but should not be close enough to anyone to actually injure them. What would be more worrying would be to cut through a circuit without completing a current flow path for the capacitor as that would leave open the possibility of someone accidentally completing the circuit themselves. But even this is not a large risk if you use conductive tools (which will absorb the brief current surge) or wear anything insulating.

The concern with the inverter-converter is mostly due to the fact that it's hooked up the battery. If the battery is already open-circuited then the inverter-converter should just be a dumb block, modulo any residual energy left over in a rectification circuit or something.

Re: Tesla Model S achieves best safety rating of any car ever tested

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Here's the video of the Tesla pole test: http://youtu.be/_Al3IUHt9Wc?t=32s Honda Accord for comparison: http://youtu.be/ycntFFUfGkU?t=30s

Tesla makes an impressive vehicle, but it is unfair to compare a ~$80K machine to a ~$30K one. A fairer comparison would be to a BMW 5xx or Mercedes E class. Tesla may still fair better but not by as huge a margin. Having said all that... wow, that is a surprisingly huge difference in results!

Same test with a Jeep Liberty:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4T1BimfUf4

Lexus RX350:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAz6ZMeIC9s

Lexus ES350:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l0o9MTY0JA

BMW 5-Series:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r20YfGYhvc

Mercedes C-Class:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTkbG64V4tQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sg0ubBqhZjg

Re: Tesla Model S achieves best safety rating of any car ever tested

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> I don't believe electric cars are technologically better. Lugging a half ton battery around, then waiting for hours for it to charge doesn't seem that clever to me. Early internal combustion engines were also rather embarrassing, but this didn't hinder their adoption -- at the time they were a better choice overall. Imagine the reverse situation -- imagine that electric cars took hold when they were first introduce…

Take an AA battery. Now go back in time 30 years and look at an AA battery. Identical. Why has battery technology not improved one bit in the last 30 years? Well, obviously there's a massive disincentive - the better the battery, the less people buy, but I don't think that's the main limitation. I don't think conventional batteries can improve all that much more.

> Take an AA battery. Now go back in time 30 years and look at an AA battery. Identical. Why has battery technology not improved one bit in the last 30 years?

That's completely false. I might have said, "Look at a basic mousetrap 30 years ago. Now look at one today. Identical." What's missing is any examination of the alternatives. 30 years ago, there weren't any NiMH batteries, or commercial lithium-ion batteries (the latter were under active development), but they're now the primary power sources for portable devices, and lithium-ion batteries power the Tesla Model S.

> I don't think conventional batteries can improve all that much more.

And I don't think conventional thinking can improve all that much more. But I have high hopes for unconventional thinking.

"When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong." -- Arthur C. Clarke

Re: Tesla Model S achieves best safety rating of any car ever tested

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The one thing you learn about car accidents is to not make any assumptions at all about how they progress. Cars can get flipped up and land on their roofs easily, and it doesn't take much for this to happen either. It definitely is not the most common accident but it does happen and frequently enough that they test for it.

yeah, but from any meaningful height? do they really hoist a car upside down to 10, 15, 20, 30 feet and then drop it on its roof? because that's what the OP was referring to.

A car could certainly flip up into the air quite a few feet while rotating and then land on the roof.
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