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Tesla Model S achieves best safety rating of any car ever tested

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Re: Tesla Model S achieves best safety rating of any car ever tested

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It helps that it weighs 4,600 pounds. (More than a thousand pounds heavier than the Volvo S60 they compare it to.) Heavier vehicles always do better-- which is why SUVs survive crashes so well.

What is the calculated correlation between NHTSA vehicle safety score and vehicle weight. I don't know this, but suspect that it is a less significant factor than you imply. Add that the Tesla is 1000lbs+ of battery. Safety is engineering and materials. More materials help, of course, but more materials without the engineering simply equals more kinetic energy. There are vehicles from big SUVs to tiny SMART cars doin…

Weight has a small impact, but you have to remember the low of geometric scaling.

Re: Tesla Model S achieves best safety rating of any car ever tested

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there some kind of diagram that explains how this works? I can't really see how this works just by imagining it.

Not exactly a diagram but the a video of the test: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz2FMfv-CSc A bmw 3 series (not full frontal): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XG8BQt4sHY

Wow. The windshield doesn't even crack.

Re: Tesla Model S achieves best safety rating of any car ever tested

#53

It helps that it weighs 4,600 pounds. (More than a thousand pounds heavier than the Volvo S60 they compare it to.) Heavier vehicles always do better-- which is why SUVs survive crashes so well.

I don't think that test wall moved more because of the weight of the Tesla.

Re: Tesla Model S achieves best safety rating of any car ever tested

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Very impressive. One really cannot over stress that there is a lot of car that you "don't need" in the front and back if you don't have a big engine but using it for energy absorption is a certainly valid use. So far the only complaints my friends have had with their cars has been the "constant" updates to the software.

Re: Tesla Model S achieves best safety rating of any car ever tested

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> The Model S lithium-ion battery did not catch fire at any time before, during or after the NHTSA testing. It is worth mentioning that no production Tesla lithium-ion battery has ever caught fire in the Model S or Roadster, despite several high speed impacts. While this is statistically unlikely to remain the case long term, Tesla is unaware of any Model S or Roadster occupant fatalities in any car ever. I can't hel…

It might be, but also consider that lithium-ion batteries do have a reputation, and catching fire or exploding would be high on the list of things that anyone wanting to sow doubt about the safety of an electric car might bring up, so pre-empting it might be worthwhile for that reason too.

one can only guess what Airbus sales reps talk about in private with their potential clients :)

Re: Tesla Model S achieves best safety rating of any car ever tested

#57

It helps that it weighs 4,600 pounds. (More than a thousand pounds heavier than the Volvo S60 they compare it to.) Heavier vehicles always do better-- which is why SUVs survive crashes so well.

What is the calculated correlation between NHTSA vehicle safety score and vehicle weight. I don't know this, but suspect that it is a less significant factor than you imply. Add that the Tesla is 1000lbs+ of battery. Safety is engineering and materials. More materials help, of course, but more materials without the engineering simply equals more kinetic energy. There are vehicles from big SUVs to tiny SMART cars doin…

Amusing that you mention the Smart Fortwo.

http://www.iihs.org/news/rss/pr041409.html

  ARLINGTON, VA — Three front-to-front crash tests, each 
  involving a microcar or minicar into a midsize model from 
  the same manufacturer, show how extra vehicle size and 
  weight enhance occupant protection in collisions. These 
  Insurance Institute for Highway Safety tests are about the 
  physics of car crashes, which dictate that very small cars 
  generally can't protect people in crashes as well as 
  bigger, heavier models.

  "There are good reasons people buy minicars," says 
  Institute president Adrian Lund. "They're more affordable, 
  and they use less gas. But the safety trade-offs are clear 
  from our new tests. Equally clear are the implications when 
  it comes to fuel economy. If automakers downsize cars so 
  their fleets use less fuel, occupant safety will be 
  compromised. However, there are ways to serve fuel economy 
  and safety at the same time."
http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/808569.pdf‎

  Large vehicles have historically been more stable and 
  provided more protection for their own
  occupants than small ones, but they presented a greater 
  hazard to other road users. Between 1985
  and 1993, the population of light trucks - pickups, sport 
  utility vehicles (SUV) and vans - increased
  by 50 percent in the United States. Since the major 
  downsizing of passenger cars during 1975-82,
  light trucks have had a substantial and growing weight 
  advantage over cars. By 1992, the number
  of fatalities in collisions between cars and light trucks 
  exceeded the number in car-to-car collisions
  In car-light truck collisions, 80 percent of the fatalities 
  are occupants of the cars. That raises the
  question whether the growth in the number and weight of 
  light trucks is having an adverse impact
  on the safety of passenger car occupants and other road 
  users, possibly exceeding any safety benefits
  of the vehicle-weight increases for the occupants of the 
  trucks.
Vehicle safety is complicated, obviously, and vehicle weight isn't the only variable of merit, obviously. (See http://energy.lbl.gov/ea/teepa/pdf/aps-ppt-wenzel.pdf‎ )

But all things being equal, in a head on collision between two identical vehicles, save that one weighs a thousand pounds more than the other, the heavier car is going to win.

Re: Tesla Model S achieves best safety rating of any car ever tested

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post #50

Elon Musk clearly writes these things himself. That, or he's got a bunch of other folks like him working at Tesla. Either way, it's exciting times. It's fun to be inspired by a company. To find something that keeps getting better as it unfolds...

Or they work together at creating them. I.e. he writes a draft, gets it fleshed out, and he applies some finishing touches.

Re: Tesla Model S achieves best safety rating of any car ever tested

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, does anyone want to give odds that Tesla will be a disruptive force in the automotive industry throughout the next decade?

Yeah, I remember beign told at the end of the 90's that if you'd bought 100 shares (~$2000) of Microsoft stock at IPO and sold in '99, you'd have cashed in well over a million dollars. Tesla gives me that kind of feeling at the moment. It probably won't be to the same extent as Tesla's market cap is already quite high. So I can't see them splitting quite as much as MS. But on the other hand, I think they're definitel…

I bought several tens of thousands of TSLA shares at ~$17/share when they went IPO; my wife still chides me I didn't buy more.

Re: Tesla Model S achieves best safety rating of any car ever tested

#60
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know much about the mechanics or engineering of the Model S, but I'm going to take a gander and say that much of that extra weight comes from the battery pack (and other parts of the non-traditional drivetrain), which isn't a (huge?) factor in a crash test (though I could be wrong). Just checked - yep - the battery weighs an estimated ~ 545kg or 1200 lbs [1]. I'd expect the structural components to actually b…

How much does the gas tank, motor, radiator, transmission, etc. in a normal car weigh? Have to subtract that out of the 1,200lbs to see how much extra is added.

Mid-Range Estimates:

Engine: 300 to 450 pounds Transmission: 120 to 140 pounds Gas Tank: 20 to 25 pounds Radiator: 20 to 30 pounds

So, roughly 460 to 645 pounds. Add 110 pounds for 15 gallons of gas. The comparison is a little more difficult than this though, because the batteries just store energy. The Model S still has a (416hp) motor, there are a few other differences (regenerative vs standard brakes) and equivalencies (inverter vs alternator).

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