For a better film concerning the same topic, try pirates of silicon valley. Its a bit old, but quite good.
I'm hoping Sorkin's movie is better. We'll see.
Woz is apparently consulting for Sorkin's version, so I'd take that as a fairly good sign.
Wozniak Says `Lot of Things Wrong’ With Jobs Movie [video]
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Re: Wozniak Says `Lot of Things Wrong’ With Jobs Movie [video]
#32For comparison here's what he had to say about "Pirates of Silicon Valley" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lx9JsSTklI
Re: Wozniak Says `Lot of Things Wrong’ With Jobs Movie [video]
#33is anyone surprised?
Some would argue that one of the biggest things wrong is that this movie exists at all, and there's not one for people who had a much bigger influence on the world: On the one hand, I can imagine where the computing world would be without the work that Jobs did and the people he inspired: probably a bit less shiny, a bit more beige, a bit more square. Deep inside, though, our devices would still work the same way and…
That's just geek one-upsmanship, it's not commentary. Geek A says that he really admires Geek Icon A. Geek B denigrates Geek A by telling him that Geek Icon A didn't really do anything, that he was just standing on the shoulders of the slightly more obscure but infinitely more talented Geek Icon B. This makes Geek B sound smart and informed, or at least it it makes Geek B feel smart and informed and better the Geek A.
Geek C comes along and tells Geek B that he's clueless, because Geek Icon B was just a poseur who spent his career harvesting the intellectual fields that had been plowed and sown by the even more obscure Geek Icon C. And so on, ad infinitum.
I halfway expect someone else to stumble on that thread and inform the author that he's an idiot because he doesn't realize that Dennis Ritchie is no more than a pimple on John McCarthy's back (not my opinion, just the sort of binary thinking and argumentation that I've observed in these types of threads).
It's also an example of geek self-importance: the idea that the only thing that matters is writing code. It reduces the value of anyone involved in the creation of a piece of hardware or software who wasn't writing code or soldering stuff to nil. People say this stuff to feel better about themselves at the expense of other people that they feel get too much credit. There's some truth to it, of course, but it's rarely expressed as a gray area. It usually comes in the form of, "hey, you know that guy who everyone thinks did everything? Really, he did NOTHING! Nothing at all. This other guy that most people never heard of did EVERYTHING." Which is just as intellectually dishonest as the idea that the first guy did everything.
Re: Wozniak Says `Lot of Things Wrong’ With Jobs Movie [video]
#34If we wait long enough, we will also find out that Steve Jobs invented practically everything around us - the bits, the bytes, the electricity, atoms and molecules. Hack, he was the first fish out of the water that gave raise to the man kind millions of years later. All Hail the King Jobs.
> Hack
1) I like this typo.
2) I can't imagine how you made it. Dvorak keyboard?
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
If it was mainly for entertainment, they should have called it Blow Jobs, you know. It would have been true to their intent (entertainment), and more accurate to the content of the movie.
If you want the facts read Walter Isaacson's biography of Steve Jobs. >> "It would have been true to their intent (entertainment)" OF COURSE their intent is entertainment! It's a movie!
Or not as it seems. Walter Isaacson was heavily criticized as being way too light and inaccurate (disclaimer: didn't read). 'Infinite loop' seems a better entry point.
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#36If we wait long enough, we will also find out that Steve Jobs invented practically everything around us - the bits, the bytes, the electricity, atoms and molecules. Hack, he was the first fish out of the water that gave raise to the man kind millions of years later. All Hail the King Jobs.
Maybe popular history will remember him as the Thomas Edison of computers.
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#37Please don't link directly to auto-playing video pages. At least not until browser vendors get their acts together and indicate which tabs are generating sound. (No, I'm not interested in a long list of excuses as to why that's hard to do.)
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#38What really burns me is how the "Jobs" people treated his criticism as being motivated out of money. From Ashton Kutcher:
http://blogs.computerworld.com/mac-os-x/22659/jobs-ashton-ku...
> "Woz is being paid by another company to support a different Steve Jobs film. It's personal for him, but it's also business. We have to keep that in mind."
Seriously? Woz is the guy who gave his Apple stock shares to co-workers he felt were slighted in the IPO. Hello, he's the guy who wanted to give his groundbreaking engineering behind the Apple away for free.
Woz is an engineering legend...but if there were a Hall of Fame for generosity and integrity, he'd be in there too. Shame on the "Jobs" people and it's great to see the lukewarm/negative reviews roll in for their shit sandwich of a biopic.
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#39Please don't link directly to auto-playing video pages. At least not until browser vendors get their acts together and indicate which tabs are generating sound. (No, I'm not interested in a long list of excuses as to why that's hard to do.)
The solution I employ is Click2Plugin, native to Chrome and an extension to Firefox (and Safari?). I have it enabled on everything but Youtube.
Re: Wozniak Says `Lot of Things Wrong’ With Jobs Movie [video]
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
If it was mainly for entertainment, they should have called it Blow Jobs, you know. It would have been true to their intent (entertainment), and more accurate to the content of the movie.
If you want the facts read Walter Isaacson's biography of Steve Jobs. >> "It would have been true to their intent (entertainment)" OF COURSE their intent is entertainment! It's a movie!
True. It's a good excuse, but still doesn't fly in my books. I do understand that fact based movies need to introduce some drama that requires some nips here and some tucks there, but not to the extent that Wozniak has claimed.
And he being there in person has some weight to what he says.
Jobs worship was already out of control during his second stint, with success of iproducts, but to revise the history to such an extent that it takes credit away from pretty much everybody who worked towards making Apple a successful company is not entertainment.