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Detaining my partner: a failed attempt at intimidation

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Re: Detaining my partner: a failed attempt at intimidation

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Post by rmc »

k-mcgrady wrote: post #3

I'm shocked that police actually have the power to hold you for nine hours, refuse you a lawyer and that you are not allowed to refuse to answer questioning. Edit: shocked is probably the wrong word it's hard to get surprised by this stuff anymore.

I'm shocked that police actually have the power to hold you for nine hours, refuse you a lawyer and that you are not allowed to refuse to answer questioning.

You haven't read up much history of Northern Ireland? There is a lots of examples of the UK and anti-terrorism laws. Imprisonment without trial, etc.

Re: Detaining my partner: a failed attempt at intimidation

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Post by icambron »

k-mcgrady wrote: post #4
cransa wrote: post #2

This and the fact that Obama is constantly being caught in lies says to me that the U.S. government has no clue what information Edward Snowden has passed off to Greenwald.

This could be unrelated to the US as details of UK spying were also released.

As I understand it, UK and USA spying are part of a well-connected system also including Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. I'm not sure there are relevant distinctions to be made here in terms of spying.

Re: Detaining my partner: a failed attempt at intimidation

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Post by acqq »

jacquesm wrote: post #50
grey-area wrote: post #22

The salient quote from Greenwald's article on this: They completely abused their own terrorism law for reasons having nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism: a potent reminder of how often governments lie when they claim that they need powers to stop "the terrorists", and how dangerous it is to vest unchecked power with political officials in its name. [1] This is a great example of why we should treat terrorism lik…

I wonder from how high up this order came. After all, it's not like Greenwald is going to take this lying down and that's something that they could predict quite accurately ahead of time. To abuse these powers on the partner of the journalist that is reporting the abuses is the worst tactical mistake made by any government to date, short of the diversion of a diplomats plane. Taking into account that the UK law enfor…

They were able to do two things:

1) Spend 9 hours pressing the guy in order to learn any details they are interested in. He was probably not prepared enough for that, most of people aren't. Apparently, in such an occasion you don't even have the "right to remain silent!" That is, Mr. David Miranda had no Miranda rights there. I guess they had a good laugh.

2) Get anything from the electronic devices. It's reasonable to expect that both GG and his partner aren't crypto security specialists (GG had problem even starting using crypto).

That they make the pressure to the journalists they saw as the added bonus. Obviously they don't expect that the "public" reacts much.

Note also that UK has laws where you have to give your passwords to the police.

Re: Detaining my partner: a failed attempt at intimidation

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Post by [deleted] »

straight_talk_2 wrote: post #46
danenania wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, we aren't powerless. That's why these people are so relentless in their intimidation and pursuit of more power. If they thought we were powerless, they wouldn't bother. They are afraid, and they should be. The tide can turn quickly.

Maybe it can still turn, but definitely not quickly. It will take a huge amount of effort and blood to take the power away from the sociopath banksters and their puppet politicians, military and media. IMHO it is very unlikely as very few people in the developed countries today care about political power and modern weapons, like drones and PRISM, are very anti-democratic in nature.

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Re: Detaining my partner: a failed attempt at intimidation

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Post by k-mcgrady »

rmc wrote: post #61
k-mcgrady wrote: post #3

I'm shocked that police actually have the power to hold you for nine hours, refuse you a lawyer and that you are not allowed to refuse to answer questioning. Edit: shocked is probably the wrong word it's hard to get surprised by this stuff anymore.

I'm shocked that police actually have the power to hold you for nine hours, refuse you a lawyer and that you are not allowed to refuse to answer questioning. You haven't read up much history of Northern Ireland? There is a lots of examples of the UK and anti-terrorism laws. Imprisonment without trial, etc.

I was born in Northern Ireland and have lived here all but 6 months of my life so I'm very familiar with it :)

Re: Detaining my partner: a failed attempt at intimidation

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Post by skwirl »

rorrr2 wrote: post #29
omonra wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't be shy - call it what it is - genocide.

faschism = An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. Which fits the situation. Your genocide reference, an attempt to trivialize the above statement, doesn't even make sense.

This is Poe's law in action.
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