Unfortunately, as nice as it looks, the screens make me feel like "not going to install that, looks like Mac".. :(
...or, "why buy something when you can get it for free, freedom included?"
Already using Debian here
ElementaryOs Luna released
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Re: ElementaryOs Luna released
#302Earlier quoted context omitted.
All I can say in response to this is that design is easier said than done. We didn't copy, we came to the same conclusions. I'm not saying those are the only conclusions, but we're not human-computer interaction theorists, we build practical things. Sometimes practicality trumps purity, and sometimes purity trumps idealism. If you're criticizing us for not being perfect and not innovating enough, I can't argue. But d…
It would help you a lot if you kept a blog about how all your design exploration progresses. Later you could point people to that and say: "see, there's a process behind it". Not to mention that it would save a lot of time for those coming after you in the future.
This is a good idea. We do a lot of this actually[1], but not enough.
[1] e.g http://elementaryos.org/journal/whats-still-window-controls
Re: ElementaryOs Luna released
#303Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wow, such vitriol. Let me guess, you're a big Ubuntu fan, and my assertion about privacy offended you and your clan. Now you're trying to peg me as some sort of moral absolutist. Well, I'm not, I just do what I can do when it comes to getting people to use software that respect their privacy. Obviously, people make their own decisions. Sometimes they ask recommendations, and I respond with my honest opinion. So when…
I'm the exact opposite of a big Ubuntu fan (I was, but after the switch to Unity everything started being slow, and Canonical started getting weird, and I realized I didn't really like the community behind it, but those are all tangential points), and I agree with him/her/whatever. Making the claim that you're saving them from "the evils of Amazon and Canonical", while not doing the same for other things that are wor…
You're extracting some sort of context that I did not make, and that you're attributing a quote to me that I never said makes me thing that you didn't bother to even digest my statements.
If anything here is silly and worthless, it is engaging any further in this thread with you.
Re: ElementaryOs Luna released
#304Earlier quoted context omitted.
FWIW I don't think it is a bad thing [1]. KDE's look was clearly inspired by Windows XP. But I'm a user. Designers, people who make their living giving life to a "look" or a "user experience" feel pretty strongly about their work (this is typical of many artists, programmers, architects, musicians, Etc.) In part because they often see their own work as a reflection of them, and in part, and I speculate here, because…
To you it might be clear that KDE was inspired by Windows XP, I differ. KDE independently developed a Windows-like feeling because it has always aimed at being very configurable. Since I first used KDE (when using XP) I felt that it was better than Windows, that feeling has never left me.
Kde was inspired by Windows 95 (which was ripped off from...). Vista later borrowed alot back from Kde.
Re: ElementaryOs Luna released
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I don't have nearly the problem of an OSX-lookalike as some. I used OSX for years because it was basically the prettiest POSIX system available. And like you say, a lot is simply good design. Apple didn't invent nearly as much as their marketing department (and legal) would have us believe. Tangentially, I've fallen in love with tiling WMs, but they all seem mediocre at best. @aroman it'd be awesome if you guys made…
I'm kind of the same. I still use OSX on my 2007 MBP for portable, and I'm using Awesome WM with Ubuntu on my desktop. What other kind of tiling WMs exist and/or what do you use? I still switch to Windows occasionally for gaming (although I try to limit my gaming habit). Another reason for using Windows for me would be screen capture software (Webcammax [best], Manycam, more...) which is completely absent from Linux…
I use i3. It's not perfect, but it's the best I've found.
I like:
1) tile movement is very dynamic; it's tree-based
2) supports transparent terminals; I like seeing my pretty wallpaper
3) mod key works well for switching desktops, and moving tiles between desktops
4) good multi-monitor support.
I don't like:
1) no dropdown application menu. dmenu is ok, but I need to find a good menu bar app.
2) You can mouse drag-resize, but not drag-reorder tiles. It's on their todo list.
Re: ElementaryOs Luna released
#306I have been a developer for elementary for 3 years, and I am part of the elementary core team. I am also personally close friends with much of the design and development team, including the project's founder and lead designer, Daniel Foré. There seems to be a lot of feedback here which basically says "this trying to rip off OS X". I would like to offer you some insight into our internal assessment of these claims. Is…
OS X System Preferences screenshot: http://imgur.com/RLB8JZp ElementaryOS settings screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/vnjmHrQ.png It's got the same left-aligned, bolded categories, in the same order, with almost identical text. It even senselessly copied the choice of the Apple Magic Mouse as the mouse icon. That tiny smudge at the bottom represents the Apple logo! I don't mean to suggest that an ElementaryOS designer is…
Ironically, Xubuntu uses the Elementary icon set.
Re: ElementaryOs Luna released
#307Earlier quoted context omitted.
It would help you a lot if you kept a blog about how all your design exploration progresses. Later you could point people to that and say: "see, there's a process behind it". Not to mention that it would save a lot of time for those coming after you in the future.
This is a good idea. We do a lot of this actually[1], but not enough. [1] e.g http://elementaryos.org/journal/whats-still-window-controls
>In the end however, I was faced with an ultimatum. Do I change the settings app JUST to look different than OS X, and lose out on the well-established excellence of Apple's design?
Which can be rephrased as: I'm a hack and could think of no original ideas of my own, so I opted to copy another OS verbatim.
Thankfully Apple doesn't think that way not even for their own design -- they improve (or at least attempt to) OS X's design with each release. And they have even more excuses than you to rest on their laurels (namely, that the laurers are theirs to begin with).