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Re: Happy 20th birthday Debian

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Be careful with taking that too far ;). That modularity and customizability was slippery slope for me--I defected from Debian to Arch in months.

And you know what comes next after Arch... ...Gentoo.

LFS with the aide of NetBSD's pkgsrc. ;)

I've been tempted to go down that route before...

Re: Happy 20th birthday Debian

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Apparently dozing and posting doesn't work. Here's the graphic I was talking about: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Linux_Di...

Very neat indeed, though its sheer size seemed to cause indigestion in every app I tried to display it with (they could display it OK, but try to zoom in/out and prepare to wait...). It would be even cooler if there was some indication of popularity over time as well, e.g. via variation in line thickness or something (...image gets even bigger... ><).

...But if the visuals were that accurate I never would have noticed "GNUGuitarINUX"[1]!

[1] http://gnuguitarinux.sourceforge.net/

Re: Happy 20th birthday Debian

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I recently switched from Ubuntu to Debian, and I keep wondering to myself why I didn't switch much sooner. The lack of any integration with a specific desktop environment, and having pure GNU and Linux underneath a pure DE is something that is really quite satisfying. It gives you modularity and customizability without having anything break or feel out of place; something that often happened to me while switching DEs…

Be careful with taking that too far ;). That modularity and customizability was slippery slope for me--I defected from Debian to Arch in months.

Debian to Arch in, no kidding, one day. I barely even knew what happened to me. I almost felt bad about it which is why I try to keep up on what's going on in Debian-land, but I was just setting up some VMs and thought I'd see what pacman was like and then [...]

Re: Happy 20th birthday Debian

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Be careful with taking that too far ;). That modularity and customizability was slippery slope for me--I defected from Debian to Arch in months.

And you know what comes next after Arch... ...Gentoo.

This never happened to me. It is easy enough to write a custom build environment pkgbuild and put it on the aur, and use an aur helper like pacaur to cache the git repos. I tried gentoo on a vm after getting frustrated and wanting to do a configure / make / install on Samba, but after a few hours compiling coreutils I gave up and concluded that it is just a silly waste of electricity for everyone in the world to recompile the same binaries, or slightly different ones with one feature change that might break interactions with a dozen other applications. Someone else can just build optimized binaries for my architecture and were good, the last 5% isn't worth the power bill, it is cheaper to just buy 5% faster parts.

But I can't go to anything but Arch. I have opensuse on my grandparents PC and I so desperately want to put Arch on it since managing the legacy in any of the distros that aren't Arch (ie, /boot/grub and /boot/grub2 on a standard install, init scripts mixed with systemd units, xinetd + systemd, etc) makes me feel like its 2003 instead of 2013. I sometimes put dual boot Ubuntu / Windows on some of my freelance IT customers to let them pick what they like and keep the other as a failsafe, but tweaking Ubuntu now feels like a chore. I still giggle with glee when installing a new Arch box though.

Re: Happy 20th birthday Debian

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Be careful with taking that too far ;). That modularity and customizability was slippery slope for me--I defected from Debian to Arch in months.

And you know what comes next after Arch... ...Gentoo.

Actually I went from Gentoo to Arch. I tried, tirelessly, to run a stable Gentoo desktop (server is much easier). However its not worth the wait in terms of compile times or just emerge pains to begin with. The Arch model is great if you want the cutting edge with stability. Gentoo seems more bleeding edge and less reliable. Defiance is my goto on the reliable side of cloud and virtual instances. Arch and Debian are very complimentary in my case.

Re: Happy 20th birthday Debian

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The first Debian "release" I installed was called "Slink-and-a-half." It was Slink with some important Potato packages backported by VA Linux. I quickly upgraded it using dist-upgrade to unstable, which was potato at the time (testing didn't exist yet).

I built "slink and a half" and I'm lying in a tent in a field in Switzerland after the main Debian b-day party, bonfire, triple rainbow (no kidding!), etc. Wave!

I assume "joeyh" stands for Joey Hess, a name I recognize from seeing it many, many times over the years. :) I didn't know you did slink-and-a-half though.

Thanks for all your hard work, and especially for introducing me to Debian. Have a wonderful Debian birthday!

Re: Happy 20th birthday Debian

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And you know what comes next after Arch... ...Gentoo.

I chose FreeBSD... I wish that I would have tried FreeBSD years sooner, but I guess it's better late than never.

I run FreeBSD on my desktops, but I've found there is absolutely no option to run them on any notebooks. Linux is king for laptops.

Re: Happy 20th birthday Debian

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I recently switched from Ubuntu to Debian, and I keep wondering to myself why I didn't switch much sooner. The lack of any integration with a specific desktop environment, and having pure GNU and Linux underneath a pure DE is something that is really quite satisfying. It gives you modularity and customizability without having anything break or feel out of place; something that often happened to me while switching DEs…

Is it possible to run Steam on Debian? It's supported on Ubuntu, and I'm wondering if that extends to debian as well.

Re: Happy 20th birthday Debian

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I recently switched from Ubuntu to Debian, and I keep wondering to myself why I didn't switch much sooner. The lack of any integration with a specific desktop environment, and having pure GNU and Linux underneath a pure DE is something that is really quite satisfying. It gives you modularity and customizability without having anything break or feel out of place; something that often happened to me while switching DEs…

I switched to Debian (Wheezy specifically) after 8 or so years of using Fedora (initially Fedora Core ) with a year or two of Gentoo in 2008-9 or so. It really is a breath of fresh air. You don't realize it initially but Fedora/Ubuntu are suffocating.. rapid releases changing things that didn't need to be changed (I have zero objection to actual improvements, that is the reason I used Fedora for so long (and Gentoo d…

If you want things done slow and right, use Debian. Part of being a highly fragemented market (which the Linux desktop is) is that each distribution needs to find its own niche. Debian has the slow and stable niche pretty well covered. Ubuntu's distinguishing factor is that it is more cutting edge, and has more personality to it. Simmilarly, Fedora also states on its about page that its goal is to stay cutting edge at the cost of stability.

Re: Happy 20th birthday Debian

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I recently switched from Ubuntu to Debian, and I keep wondering to myself why I didn't switch much sooner. The lack of any integration with a specific desktop environment, and having pure GNU and Linux underneath a pure DE is something that is really quite satisfying. It gives you modularity and customizability without having anything break or feel out of place; something that often happened to me while switching DEs…

Is it possible to run Steam on Debian? It's supported on Ubuntu, and I'm wondering if that extends to debian as well.

I haven't tried it, but probably. Ubuntu is essentially Debian, especially at a low level. Also, the Steam license explicitly allows for third parties to repackage it to work on other platforms. In the event that their is an actual incompatibility, you can always have two versions of whatever dependency installed on the system.
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