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The De-evolution of My Laptop Battery

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Re: The De-evolution of My Laptop Battery

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Replacing the cells isn't particularly hard if you are willing to take the time with a dremel -- if you're clever you can then close the battery without gluing it.

I still have a 4.1 macbook pro that I keep using specifically because it's the last one they made with a user-swappable battery.

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The really dumb thing is that, as far as I can tell, a battery's controller generally counts a "cycle" as "started discharging, started charging", regardless of time in between. At least, that's how it was with my MacBook a few years ago. Unplug, plug in, cycle count increases. The crappy thing about that is warranties. Apple, for example (at least last I checked; I don't use a Mac anymore) , would replace a battery…

I don't believe that description of cycle count has ever been accurate for Apple hardware and certainly isn't for recent MacBook Airs: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1519

Yeah it definitely doesnt, I have had and used dozens of macbooks and you cant ever plug in and out and see your charge cycle increase each time. I usually have my laptops 1-2 years and they rarely go above 300 charge cycles per year, and I usually dc my laptop 5-10 times a day.

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If your cycle count is 223 and you are nearing 80%, then your battery is defective, plain and simple. Apple will replace it. It's happened to me a couple times and Apple took care of it with no hassles.

I can attest to that: my Macbook white bought on October 2009 (that's 46 months folks) which I used every single day to this very day has 261 load cycles and 91% of original capacity.

my blackbook (late 2007, Santa Rosa, core 2 duo 2.2GHz) still has the original battery and it still holds a decent charge (3+ hours.) My Walstreet 2's battery still holds a charge lasting circa 2+ hours. I religiously avoid running plugged in and always try to charge then run down. Seems to have worked for me.

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I've only recently started collecting data for my Early 2011 MBP, but I'm starting to see a pretty steep decline. From 72% capacity down to 58% in a little over a month feels like I might be nearing the end of life for my battery. date | capacity | loadcycles ------------------------------------ 2013-07-08 | 4964 (72%) | 527 2013-07-25 | 4566 (66%) | 534 2013-08-05 | 4432 (64%) | 537 2013-08-16 | 4016 (58%) | 542 Any…

mid 2010 5020/5770 (87%) and 393. I'll have to starting track this also.

Re: The De-evolution of My Laptop Battery

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If your cycle count is 223 and you are nearing 80%, then your battery is defective, plain and simple. Apple will replace it. It's happened to me a couple times and Apple took care of it with no hassles.

Really? I got a 2006 MacBook Pro in Dec 2006, and each year I had to buy a new battery from Apple as it generally got down to 30-40% capacity. First time it happened (and was still under warrantee), I took it into Apple, and they said it was normal, and they only replaced batteries if it was defective. I went through 5 batteries until I got a 2011 MacBook Pro.

I had previously had terrible luck with their batteries. That changed for me when they stopped making them removable (thankfully!) For the removable batteries in my 2005 or 2006 Apple said they had a lifetime of 200 cycles (mine never reached that). My current MBP is supposed to have a lifetime of 1000 cycles. I'm a few hundred in and have high 80 or low 90 % capacity. It might not meet their expectation, but quite a bit better for my needs.

Re: The De-evolution of My Laptop Battery

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They recently replaced the battery on my Macbook Air. They didn't replace the whole computer, just the battery. Took about 15-20 minutes.

Ah, I thought the battery was permanently attached to the body.

The RAM is the thing with Macbook Air's that permanently soldered to the system board. Everything else is difficult to replace due to the form factor, but still replaceable.

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Wouldn't all modern power management ICs operate the laptop directly from the power supply while float-charging the battery resulting in negligent amounts of heat?

Yes to the former, but (hopefully a real battery expert can chime in here) my understanding is that lithium-ion batteries cannot be float/trickle charged safely. Their internal resistance is too non-linear and it's too easy even with a "full" battery to provide a voltage that will sink dangerous amounts of current and overheat. All lithium ion technologies I'm aware of require active current and temperature monitorin…

Probably 90% of the time I'm using my laptops is when I'm actually sitting at my desk and they are always plugged in at that time. I recently read where someone else had stated that it was good to remove the battery (if you can) if using the laptop with external power.

Any idea if this this accurate or will prolong battery life? I've got an (almost) brand new Thinkpad with a large, expensive battery that I'd like to preserve as much as possible (like anyone else).

Re: The De-evolution of My Laptop Battery

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My laptops (two-year-old MacBookPro and three-month-old Thinkpad W530) are plugged in probably 90% of the time I'm using them (8+ hours per day).

From reading some of the other comments here, it sounds like I shouldn't use them while they're plugged in. When they're being used 8-12 hours per day, however, it's impossible to avoid.

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