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Re: 7 Person Year Application Rewritten in 2 Person Months

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Post by axiom »

rwebb wrote: post #29
axiom wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, well then your question is even easier to answer if you know that data tracking is serious business in manufacturing. From the article: "Did you know that there is an IT breakthrough hidden inside of Chrysler that in the right hands could be worth 50 billion dollars or more?" In other words all he's saying is exactly what I replied to your post: that data collection and tracking (not just for Crystler but as a st…

I see your point, but the title of the article is "Chrysler, Want To Make an Extra 50 Billion?" My point is that if it was written by some dude in a day, it's not going to make anyone $50 billion, especially Chrysler.

Well, the project took 1 month by two guys, so we can assume it was non-trivial.

As a personal note, I've got a couple of years in manufacturing, with much of that in automotive. The amount of stupidity that goes on in that industry is shocking. It doesn't surprise me at all that a couple of smart guys were able to build something like this. It surprises me that Chrysler was actually able to get a couple of smart guys to work for them.

Re: 7 Person Year Application Rewritten in 2 Person Months

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Post by startupcrazy »

brlewis wrote: post #4
andreyf wrote: post #3

Sounds like a prisoner's dilemma kind of problem... individual firms won't benefit from open sourcing unless everyone open sources.

Not at all. Open sourcing your software not only means you share the benefits, but also the costs: http://web.mit.edu/wwwdev/cgiemail/buybuild.html

Indeed. All of the Detroit automobile companies are now off shoring to India and China to try to reduce costs. Open sourcing factor floor control and monitoring systems is simply another way to achieve the same results.

Re: 7 Person Year Application Rewritten in 2 Person Months

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Post by SwellJoe »

startupcrazy wrote: post #30
SwellJoe wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm afraid Chrysler poisoned me as a customer before I was even old enough to drive. My folks owned a couple of Chrysler products that were the worst vehicles I've ever dealt with: my mom's Dodge van once stopped steering while she was driving...yeah, the steering wheel just spun right around. On another occasion the brakes simply stopped working, pedal to the floor and nothing happened. Those are seriously dangerous…

I wasn't suggesting you buy a Chrysler product. I was suggesting you buy Chrysler. You get it all, along with 5000 lines of very clever Java code that they probably couldn't even find if they wanted to.

Heheheh! Much better suggestion. Maybe I could make Chrysler profitable. I've got forty-one crisp American dollars in my wallet. Who do I talk to? ;-)

Re: 7 Person Year Application Rewritten in 2 Person Months

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Post by edw519 »

startupcrazy wrote: post #28
edw519 wrote: post #21

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Right. Now, change "billion" to "million". Find a little work in one of the thousands of small businesses in your neighborhood, and within 2 weeks you'll find yourself screaming one of two things, either, "Who wrote this & ^#$^# &!" or "I can do way better than this." Congratulations. You just found the basis for a viable start-up.

That I can do!

Those 4 words still send chills up my spine, especially with the exclamation point. (I know, what a nerd.) Hate to get all Oprah on you, but sometimes I think having that attitude is half the battle.

Re: 7 Person Year Application Rewritten in 2 Person Months

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Post by rwebb »

axiom wrote: post #31
rwebb wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see your point, but the title of the article is "Chrysler, Want To Make an Extra 50 Billion?" My point is that if it was written by some dude in a day, it's not going to make anyone $50 billion, especially Chrysler.

Well, the project took 1 month by two guys, so we can assume it was non-trivial. As a personal note, I've got a couple of years in manufacturing, with much of that in automotive. The amount of stupidity that goes on in that industry is shocking. It doesn't surprise me at all that a couple of smart guys were able to build something like this. It surprises me that Chrysler was actually able to get a couple of smart guy…

yes...that's probably the most confusing part of the article. :)

Re: 7 Person Year Application Rewritten in 2 Person Months

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Post by nostrademons »

SwellJoe wrote: post #33
startupcrazy wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wasn't suggesting you buy a Chrysler product. I was suggesting you buy Chrysler. You get it all, along with 5000 lines of very clever Java code that they probably couldn't even find if they wanted to.

Heheheh! Much better suggestion. Maybe I could make Chrysler profitable. I've got forty-one crisp American dollars in my wallet. Who do I talk to? ;-)

Cerberus. They just bought it though; wait a couple years and they may reconsider.

BTW, those of us who follow the financial news are laughing because Daimler (the previous owner) literally paid Cerberus to take Chrysler off its hands. The purchase price was nominally $7.4B, but it was structured as an investment into Chrysler itself. In other words, Cerberus "bought" Chrysler by putting cash into a business it now owns, effectively paying itself. In addition to that, Daimler paid Cerberus $650M in cash. Yes, that's the seller giving money to the buyer.

The reason for this is that Chrysler is currently worth less than nothing. Daimler's earnings are up $1.5B since getting rid of it, and Cerberus took on Chrysler's $18B of pension obligations. Cerberus probably figures that it can renegotiate with the UAW and default on Chrysler's pension plan, which'll help return it to profitability. Daimler couldn't do this because its profitable Mercedes division was effectively subsidizing workers in Detroit, costing it bargaining power in any attempt to stiff the unions.

Re: 7 Person Year Application Rewritten in 2 Person Months

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Post by Agathos »

SwellJoe wrote: post #33
startupcrazy wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wasn't suggesting you buy a Chrysler product. I was suggesting you buy Chrysler. You get it all, along with 5000 lines of very clever Java code that they probably couldn't even find if they wanted to.

Heheheh! Much better suggestion. Maybe I could make Chrysler profitable. I've got forty-one crisp American dollars in my wallet. Who do I talk to? ;-)

Put your money away. As I understand it the last people to "buy" Chrysler got paid to haul it away.

Edit: curses, beaten by 2 minutes. And the other post brings the details, too.

Re: 7 Person Year Application Rewritten in 2 Person Months

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Post by startupcrazy »

nostrademons wrote: post #37
SwellJoe wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heheheh! Much better suggestion. Maybe I could make Chrysler profitable. I've got forty-one crisp American dollars in my wallet. Who do I talk to? ;-)

Cerberus. They just bought it though; wait a couple years and they may reconsider. BTW, those of us who follow the financial news are laughing because Daimler (the previous owner) literally paid Cerberus to take Chrysler off its hands. The purchase price was nominally $7.4B, but it was structured as an investment into Chrysler itself. In other words, Cerberus "bought" Chrysler by putting cash into a business it now o…

Chrysler is currently worth less than nothing, but Chrysler Financial has real value. Basically, they acquired the unfunded liability of Chrysler as the price of Chrysler Financial. Chrysler Financial may be work 18B of pension obligations to Cerberus, especially if they get synergy with GMAC.

Re: 7 Person Year Application Rewritten in 2 Person Months

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Post by comatose_kid »

SwellJoe wrote: post #27
startupcrazy wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I told you too much already. :-) Several clever grammars were written. If you want any more, you have to buy Chrysler.

I'm afraid Chrysler poisoned me as a customer before I was even old enough to drive. My folks owned a couple of Chrysler products that were the worst vehicles I've ever dealt with: my mom's Dodge van once stopped steering while she was driving...yeah, the steering wheel just spun right around. On another occasion the brakes simply stopped working, pedal to the floor and nothing happened. Those are seriously dangerous…

I feel your pain. My parents owned a dodge Omni hatchback. My mom thought that the best thing about it was that 'Omni' started with 'Om' (she is Hindu). Om? The car provided little peace with its uneven engine and body exquisitely designed to rust more efficiently than the competition.

In an incomprehensible display of customer loyalty, my parents next purchase was a 4 door dodge Aspen. This car had a 6 cylinder engine which produced a hamster-threatening 90 horsepower. The best thing about this car was the horrible white paint which perfectly obscured the bird crap...

The design and production of these cars ranks as the worst example of capital deployment in American corporate history. I mean, efforts like this turned off an entire generation of customers.

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