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Re: 7 Person Year Application Rewritten in 2 Person Months

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Post by edw519 »

startupcrazy wrote: post #19
ratsbane wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Good! Another opportunity for a couple of hackers in a spare bedroom." Right-O.

Agreed. The problem is, hackers don't tend to even have access to this type of problem because you need access to the very real environment of a large factory floor. And, even if you did build a better solution, there are relatively few customers, so selling is really about selling into large corporate bureaucracies, not getting someone to download a cool new plug-in. This type of selling is very expensive, and they…

Right. Now, change "billion" to "million". Find a little work in one of the thousands of small businesses in your neighborhood, and within 2 weeks you'll find yourself screaming one of two things, either, "Who wrote this &^#$^#&!" or "I can do way better than this."

Congratulations. You just found the basis for a viable start-up.

Re: 7 Person Year Application Rewritten in 2 Person Months

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Post by Agathos »

edw519 wrote: post #8

Actually, this writer's conclusion, open source, is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what I believe, and what I think is the premise of this forum. Mega-institution isn't aware of its own golden needle in its haystack? Good! Another opportunity for a couple of hackers in a spare bedroom.

I don't see the opportunity.

It doesn't sound like a hacking problem; it sounds like a sales problem. If your customers are so hidebound they won't even use the software they already have, how will you convince them to pay for, let alone use, yours?

Or are you planning to duplicate that effort and sell it to other manufacturers (who I hope can still act rationally)?

Re: 7 Person Year Application Rewritten in 2 Person Months

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Post by axiom »

rwebb wrote: post #18
axiom wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tracking down-time means knowing where your bottlenecks are. If you know your bottlenecks are you can improve cycle time. Improving cycle time by just a few seconds mean massive increases in output. $50 billion might be a stretch, but it's not far off. Note: Cycle time is the amount of time it takes to produce a part. It's sort of like the MHz of the manufacturing world. Usually car plants are setup such that there a…

Thanks. I've read The Goal. My point is that Chrysler itself was recently sold for less than $10 billion. Maybe Cerberus bought because they knew about this code that was written in a day and now they are going to turn them into a $50 billion dollar software company? Look out SAP & Oracle...

Ok, well then your question is even easier to answer if you know that data tracking is serious business in manufacturing.

From the article: "Did you know that there is an IT breakthrough hidden inside of Chrysler that in the right hands could be worth 50 billion dollars or more?"

In other words all he's saying is exactly what I replied to your post: that data collection and tracking (not just for Crystler but as a standalone product) is worth a lot of money. He's not saying that Chrysler could or would sell this - in fact that's kind of the point of the post.

Re: 7 Person Year Application Rewritten in 2 Person Months

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Post by edw519 »

Agathos wrote: post #23
edw519 wrote: post #8

Actually, this writer's conclusion, open source, is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what I believe, and what I think is the premise of this forum. Mega-institution isn't aware of its own golden needle in its haystack? Good! Another opportunity for a couple of hackers in a spare bedroom.

I don't see the opportunity. It doesn't sound like a hacking problem; it sounds like a sales problem. If your customers are so hidebound they won't even use the software they already have, how will you convince them to pay for, let alone use, yours? Or are you planning to duplicate that effort and sell it to other manufacturers (who I hope can still act rationally)?

If your solution is so compelling and the demand is there, find better customers.

Re: 7 Person Year Application Rewritten in 2 Person Months

#26

Post by nostrademons »

startupcrazy wrote: post #20
SwellJoe wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But, that means you don't have a story. You strung me along expecting a payoff, and there was none. It's more than a bit rude. ;-)

I told you too much already. :-) Several clever grammars were written. If you want any more, you have to buy Chrysler.

Nowadays, that doesn't seem all that hard... ;-)

Re: 7 Person Year Application Rewritten in 2 Person Months

#27

Post by SwellJoe »

startupcrazy wrote: post #20
SwellJoe wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But, that means you don't have a story. You strung me along expecting a payoff, and there was none. It's more than a bit rude. ;-)

I told you too much already. :-) Several clever grammars were written. If you want any more, you have to buy Chrysler.

I'm afraid Chrysler poisoned me as a customer before I was even old enough to drive. My folks owned a couple of Chrysler products that were the worst vehicles I've ever dealt with: my mom's Dodge van once stopped steering while she was driving...yeah, the steering wheel just spun right around. On another occasion the brakes simply stopped working, pedal to the floor and nothing happened. Those are seriously dangerous catastrophic failures in dangerous circumstances and without warning. The engine also had to be entirely replaced within weeks of the brand new vans purchase, but at least no one was in danger in that case.

I got to work on them quite a bit growing up--they at least gave me lots of experience fixing things. But it'll take another generation before folks who experienced Chrysler in the 80's and 90's, like me, start buying Chrysler products again...and then only if they are actually making good cars now (which I'm not confident of). I'm afraid I've been well-trained to buy only Japanese cars. I've had two fantastic Nissans in the 20 years I've been driving, and one mediocre (but never broke in dangerous ways or left me stranded--it just had some annoying quirks) Toyota...I like to drive my cars into the ground, and the ground comes at me way too fast with American cars, and Chrysler cars in particular.

Sorry, I know you weren't looking for a rip on Chrysler, but suggesting I buy a Chrysler product sent me reeling into the past for a moment...I could smell the burning oil, feel the claustrophobia of laying on concrete under a jacked up minivan, and everything. I just thought I'd share my pain with you. ;-)

Re: 7 Person Year Application Rewritten in 2 Person Months

#28

Post by startupcrazy »

edw519 wrote: post #21
startupcrazy wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. The problem is, hackers don't tend to even have access to this type of problem because you need access to the very real environment of a large factory floor. And, even if you did build a better solution, there are relatively few customers, so selling is really about selling into large corporate bureaucracies, not getting someone to download a cool new plug-in. This type of selling is very expensive, and they…

Right. Now, change "billion" to "million". Find a little work in one of the thousands of small businesses in your neighborhood, and within 2 weeks you'll find yourself screaming one of two things, either, "Who wrote this & ^#$^# &!" or "I can do way better than this." Congratulations. You just found the basis for a viable start-up.

That I can do!

Re: 7 Person Year Application Rewritten in 2 Person Months

#29

Post by rwebb »

axiom wrote: post #24
rwebb wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks. I've read The Goal. My point is that Chrysler itself was recently sold for less than $10 billion. Maybe Cerberus bought because they knew about this code that was written in a day and now they are going to turn them into a $50 billion dollar software company? Look out SAP & Oracle...

Ok, well then your question is even easier to answer if you know that data tracking is serious business in manufacturing. From the article: "Did you know that there is an IT breakthrough hidden inside of Chrysler that in the right hands could be worth 50 billion dollars or more?" In other words all he's saying is exactly what I replied to your post: that data collection and tracking (not just for Crystler but as a st…

I see your point, but the title of the article is "Chrysler, Want To Make an Extra 50 Billion?"

My point is that if it was written by some dude in a day, it's not going to make anyone $50 billion, especially Chrysler.

Re: 7 Person Year Application Rewritten in 2 Person Months

#30

Post by startupcrazy »

SwellJoe wrote: post #27
startupcrazy wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I told you too much already. :-) Several clever grammars were written. If you want any more, you have to buy Chrysler.

I'm afraid Chrysler poisoned me as a customer before I was even old enough to drive. My folks owned a couple of Chrysler products that were the worst vehicles I've ever dealt with: my mom's Dodge van once stopped steering while she was driving...yeah, the steering wheel just spun right around. On another occasion the brakes simply stopped working, pedal to the floor and nothing happened. Those are seriously dangerous…

I wasn't suggesting you buy a Chrysler product. I was suggesting you buy Chrysler. You get it all, along with 5000 lines of very clever Java code that they probably couldn't even find if they wanted to.
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