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Re: If I can't see your work - you're crap

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Post by federicola »

tucaz wrote: post #11

From time to time I have to hire a developer and since I started looking for type #2 I'm having a hard time. I'm in the MS World and these kind of developers are really hard to find in our world. So, I usually I go with the type #1 and shoot myself in the foot because even if they do know their salt to get through most of small-internal-applications development most of them are unable to search, find or use popular o…

Obviously you are a tech-business guy and practical I agree with u 100%.

I could tell you lots of stories about Super-UI-Architects, Evangelist Developers and crappy titles like that who claim to be the cream of the cream, don't bad judge me, they can be good and have a great knowledge, but they cost to your company a lot of extra money, time and headaches, usually are people who post code in github.

Those guys usually love to create the wheel again and again, they avoid to do the job in an easy way, just creating complexity. When I see a resume "Stuff-Architect, Something-Evangelist" I automatically send those resumes to the recycle bin.

Re: If I can't see your work - you're crap

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Post by guelo »

varelse wrote: post #23

Developer 1 is just fine with sufficient networking/publishing. I don't have a single commit on github. But I have no problem with job offers. I suspect that's because I have author credits on a lot of refereed publications in the past few years and a bunch of recent patents, mostly single inventor. I'd say that's worth more than a bunch of code on github myself, but to each their own.

Personally, I wouldn't hire you because you file patents.

Re: If I can't see your work - you're crap

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Post by spitfire »

jdietrich wrote: post #16

OP has missed the point spectacularly. There aren't just two developers in the world, there are hundreds. For those with published commits, I can assess quality of their code myself and see whether they actually know what they're doing within a couple of minutes. A developer with only a CV is a pig in a poke. They might be a terrific developer, they might just be very good at bullshitting their way up the career ladd…

If that CV says they shipped software in the avionics of the F-16, to the USMC, or Renaissance technologies? Do you still assume they're incompetent?

Are you still going with that 21 year old rails dude?

Thing is, CV's exist to let you know if it's worth looking into someone in more detail. If you're looking at generic rails developers, github is the minimum expected.

If you're looking for more senior people, github might not be a reasonable expectation.

Re: If I can't see your work - you're crap

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Post by ctdonath »

tucaz wrote: post #11

From time to time I have to hire a developer and since I started looking for type #2 I'm having a hard time. I'm in the MS World and these kind of developers are really hard to find in our world. So, I usually I go with the type #1 and shoot myself in the foot because even if they do know their salt to get through most of small-internal-applications development most of them are unable to search, find or use popular o…

Plenty of companies are willing to spend the thousands of dollars building everything from scratch rather than rely on bought components they can't control or know entirely. Developers & management from that world may not know (or trust) available libraries; doesn't mean they're not "senior", it means their skillset may not match your needs.

The reverse complaint can be made: ask a candidate to build a small dashboard to show some e-commerce data - from scratch. If he can't do it without third-party libraries, is he "senior"? If he can do it, surely he's capable of spending a couple hours finding available packages to shorten the development cycle (saving time & money at the cost of reliance on outsiders).

Re: If I can't see your work - you're crap

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Post by jack-r-abbit »

guelo wrote: post #32
varelse wrote: post #23

Developer 1 is just fine with sufficient networking/publishing. I don't have a single commit on github. But I have no problem with job offers. I suspect that's because I have author credits on a lot of refereed publications in the past few years and a bunch of recent patents, mostly single inventor. I'd say that's worth more than a bunch of code on github myself, but to each their own.

Personally, I wouldn't hire you because you file patents.

I can't decide if I'm reading that correctly. Which do you mean:

1) I would not hire you and the reason is "because you file patents"

2) If I did hire you, the reason would not be "because you file patents"

Re: If I can't see your work - you're crap

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Post by nickthemagicman »

speeder wrote: post #28

Anyone know how a developer in situation 1 can get a job? I am a game developer, and many game companies have two qualities: 1, they demand lots of time. 2, they do either very specific work related only to their game, or they do things that can be re-used, but then this mean it become very valuable internal tech and must NOT be shared with competitors. Currently my lifestyle is: wake up, drink tea, wear something, g…

Lol. wtf. Don't talk about your kitchen like that.

Re: If I can't see your work - you're crap

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Post by dangero »

It goes the other way too. I expect this opinion to be unfavorable with the HN crowd, but let me explain:

Spending your free time contributing to open source projects generally indicates that you're not a money driven person. This is anecdotal, but every software engineer that I have hired who contributes heavily to open source ended up being a huge pain in the neck in a corporate structure. The reason is that corporations don't have emotions and in general they don't have morals. They are money generation machines with schizophrenic personalities. If you're money driven, you do well there.

What inevitably would happen with open source people is that they would become upset about something the company was or wasn't doing. In one case it was even the fact that the company refused to open source a project that they felt should be open sourced. As a manager I'd say they were high maintenance employees. They would also often go rogue in the name of "doing the right thing".

Believe it or not, I see open source types as often incompatible with corporate jobs and when I see a resume that has a big list of open source contributions it concerns me.

Re: If I can't see your work - you're crap

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Post by adeaver »

speeder wrote: post #28

Anyone know how a developer in situation 1 can get a job? I am a game developer, and many game companies have two qualities: 1, they demand lots of time. 2, they do either very specific work related only to their game, or they do things that can be re-used, but then this mean it become very valuable internal tech and must NOT be shared with competitors. Currently my lifestyle is: wake up, drink tea, wear something, g…

Network. Talk to people be it in chat on a social network on the people next to you on the highway. Reach out to people on HN. Search through Linked in and send messages. Search google for dev blogs and email them. Search github for people in your field.

Make connections however you can. That way if something does happen you can reach out to them to see if they know someone or might know someone who knows someone that can help.

Worked for me (and many others) in the past.

Re: If I can't see your work - you're crap

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Post by speeder »

nickthemagicman wrote: post #36
speeder wrote: post #28

Anyone know how a developer in situation 1 can get a job? I am a game developer, and many game companies have two qualities: 1, they demand lots of time. 2, they do either very specific work related only to their game, or they do things that can be re-used, but then this mean it become very valuable internal tech and must NOT be shared with competitors. Currently my lifestyle is: wake up, drink tea, wear something, g…

Lol. wtf. Don't talk about your kitchen like that.

I live in a rented room, the kitchen is shared.

The... dunno the name in english, where there is fire and you put pans over it, only one works (out of four).

Also the surfaces that you have to work (ie: cut your vegetables for example) are inclined, meaning that anything round (like a sausage, or a carrot, or a egg) will roll out of it if you don't pay attention...

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