> [he] believes every phase of the process needs to be meticulously designed to drill deep into skill sets, ... and leadership potential Ugh. I hate this. For a technical interview, why is leadership potential a priority? Speaking for myself, I've done the leadership thing and don't care for it. People tell me I'm good at it, but I still prefer dealing with algorithms over humans, and I actively decline offers for "p…
> For a technical interview, why is leadership potential a priority? Probably because in many modern ways of organizing knowledge work, distributing leadership roles is an important part of the way organizations operate. > Unfortunately, no matter where you go, there's always the deep-seated cultural mindset that manager > worker. The places where that is least true are also the places where evaluating leadership pot…
The anatomy of the perfect technical interview from a former Amazon VP
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Re: The anatomy of the perfect technical interview from a former Amazon VP
#52In my 10 years at Amazon, I interviewed lots of engineers and I think Amazon's interview process is fatally flawed. Of course Amazon is still able to hire good candidates but I believe it is in spite of this process and not because of it. Here were the most frustrating aspects of interviewing for me: 1. Bar raisers don't ask questions that they themselves don't know the answer to. I believe this is what Roseman is re…
Yeah, this is pretty painful. I've phone interviewed with Amazon twice. At the time my resume was pure front-end developer with just a smattering of server-side experience. From the Amazon recruiter everything was smiles and 'perfect'.
The interview was for a server-side & database developer position with warehouse software. WTF?! Did you look at my resume for even twenty seconds? I got database design and management questions mostly.
That interview was brutal. What a waste of time for both parties.
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Re Wall Street: It's unfortunate that some of our brightest are tempted into playing multi-million dollar poker, rather than focusing their energy on producing any significant long-term value. I believe software engineering wages will continue to rise over time, and will eventually reflect the true value the industry produces.
I think I'd rather use my tech skills to play multi-million dollar poker on Wall Street then create yet another beautiful, responsive, flexible, tweet-able, location-based, modular MVC library API component framework backbone architecture.js.
Re: The anatomy of the perfect technical interview from a former Amazon VP
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
> There is no room in the Amazon interview process to "try out" a candidate for a week or two in a real world setting to see how they perform. When looking for work, I have no room for companies that want to do this: I already have a job and commitments. Also, I might not even be in the same state as the company I am talking to.
I barely even have time for the 3-6 technical interviews most companies want to do, let alone multiple days/WEEKS of "try out" period.
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I didn't downvote you, but calling Amazon a startup is pretty ridiculous -- and your spelling/grammar isn't lending your argument any favors. (Though, ironically, it does fit into PG's description of "a company optimized for growth.")
I think it should have been obvious from the context that I was talking about a substantial number of the HN commentators who are working at me to start ups (nothing wrong with that but its not world changing rocket science) Soory if you have problems with reading as a literate dyslexic I had no problem with reading writing not so much :)
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I agree. I don't think it's a solvable problem. It's like people who champion the removal of SAT/ACT from college admissions. Okay, so statistics demonstrate the SAT only correlates with the first year of college...great, what do you have to replace it with? We work with what we have, and take the benefits it gives us. Systems can always be gamed, and that's an unfortunate (fortunate for some, I guess) reality.
It's a maximization problem. The goal is to have the best possible ROC curve for your hiring process. Maximize true positives while minimizing false positives. My personal threshold attempts to minimize false positives even to the extent that I will pass on people that would probably have done a good job. I tune it this way because I think that bad hires are one of the worst things that can happen to a team. But, eac…
1. You need large samples of hires because you must know what features actually correspond with good performance
2. You need to have a near perfect understanding of statistics
Once Google and friends collected a large enough sample they concluded their puzzles are not a good indicator. Similarly, people tend to have bias towards certain skills without any statistical evidence that they are correlated with performance. And statistics is all about removing the bias, which has proven time and time again is very hard. Otherwise you would be just gambling on instinct, which at best is just a sanity check.
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I disagree with the hungry part (if you are referring to someone that needs the money). Being "hungry" just means that they will be stuck with a company but will not love what they do.
Less about needing money and more about being ambitious. Hungry for success I should say.
At this point, they don't need money or validation, they just figure they can help you solve things and are talking to you because they enjoy solving new things.
Hungry is overrated when what you need is focus on solving the business' problems. This is one reason VC like to see founders take "shelter money" off the table early.
Re: The anatomy of the perfect technical interview from a former Amazon VP
#58> [he] believes every phase of the process needs to be meticulously designed to drill deep into skill sets, ... and leadership potential Ugh. I hate this. For a technical interview, why is leadership potential a priority? Speaking for myself, I've done the leadership thing and don't care for it. People tell me I'm good at it, but I still prefer dealing with algorithms over humans, and I actively decline offers for "p…
Re: The anatomy of the perfect technical interview from a former Amazon VP
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree. I don't think it's a solvable problem. It's like people who champion the removal of SAT/ACT from college admissions. Okay, so statistics demonstrate the SAT only correlates with the first year of college...great, what do you have to replace it with? We work with what we have, and take the benefits it gives us. Systems can always be gamed, and that's an unfortunate (fortunate for some, I guess) reality.
It's a maximization problem. The goal is to have the best possible ROC curve for your hiring process. Maximize true positives while minimizing false positives. My personal threshold attempts to minimize false positives even to the extent that I will pass on people that would probably have done a good job. I tune it this way because I think that bad hires are one of the worst things that can happen to a team. But, eac…
Re: The anatomy of the perfect technical interview from a former Amazon VP
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Re Wall Street: It's unfortunate that some of our brightest are tempted into playing multi-million dollar poker, rather than focusing their energy on producing any significant long-term value. I believe software engineering wages will continue to rise over time, and will eventually reflect the true value the industry produces.
I think I'd rather use my tech skills to play multi-million dollar poker on Wall Street then create yet another beautiful, responsive, flexible, tweet-able, location-based, modular MVC library API component framework backbone architecture.js.
"What does it do?"
"It revolutionizes the way you share pictures of your cats!"
...Yeah. Playing multi-million dollar poker on Wall Street sounds a lot sexier than the shiny startup veneer put on another photo sharing app.