So I think there are two points that Paul makes: hardware and services. On the hardware front: I don't really buy the notion that Android hardware is up to par with Apple. I realize this is an inherently subjective argument: I've played with my friends' Android phones and I just don't like the way they look or feel compared to the iPhone. On the services front: I think the argument that "Google is an advertising comp…
It'd be interesting to conduct a blind test, where all the logos/branding were removed from the devices.
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#42We're currently in the stage of the Internet where we can choose our feudal masters[1]. Want Google? Fine. Prefer Apple. No problem. Microsoft? Why not. For me, the issue is that people are becoming more entrenched as time progresses. The cost of preparing to switch can be relatively low - pay $8/year for your own domain and it's possible to keep using the same systems you choose today. Yet if the technological elite…
Disclaimer: I use Google's services myself. I can't imagine who doesn't. But somewhere in the back of my mind, I think about it sometimes...
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#43Google blindness? Or blind hatred for Apple's competitors?
Some gems, though:
I think it’s unwise to use many proprietary, hard-to-replace
services in such important roles, and I think it’s downright
foolish to tie that much of your data and functionality into
proprietary services run by one company in one account that
sometimes gets disabled permanently with no warning, no
recourse, and no support.
And Apple's services aren't less proprietary? Apple doesn't tie everything to one Apple ID? Google has pretty poor support, but I've never heard of anyone having their account (unreasonably) permanently disabled.The Google search he links to is some useless Google search on "google account locked". Here's the equivalent Apple ID search:
https://www.google.com/search?q=apple+account+locked 26.7 million results.
Here's another:
https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=apple+i... Over 29 million results.
I could go on a side-discussion about the number of Google users vs Apple users and then compare percentages and Google results and point out that there seem to be more issues with Apple IDs than Google IDs per capita, but why bother?
What does it mean? People using both ecosystems get their accounts locked up for some reason or another.
If Apple somehow irrevocably locks out my Apple ID, which
I’ve never heard of happening, it would be inconvenient.
My contacts and calendar would temporarily stop syncing
during the 20 minutes it would take to create a new
account and point my devices to it. The biggest problem
would be losing my app and media purchases, although I
wouldn’t lose any local copies of anything*
I've never heard of someone having their Google account irrevocably locked out, either. and there’s a phone number I can call to convince a human
to give me a transfer or credit.
Yeah, there's a number you can call for the Play Store for this purpose as well. I wish it were at the bottom of every page, but it's buried underneath a Help menu. That said, Apple's support is truly industry-leading and far better than what Google's got going. It's still not as bad or hopeless as Marco attempts to portray, though. It’s important to maintain diversity of services.
And you can do this with Android. You don't need to use any Google services. Sure it'll badger you at first, but no more than an Apple iOS device will.In fact, I'd say that Android is better at maintaining diversity of services. You can install an account for a wide variety of providers in the Settings app, whereas Apple forces you to stick with whatever they choose for you (Facebook, Twitter, Vimeo, etc). Occasionally, they might remove a provider for you.
It’s foolish for people on either side to ignore the
other or the middle, because despite what it sometimes
looks like to geeks like us, we’re not everyone. Not
even close. Even within our world, we can’t agree on
much.
Is this self-deprecation on Marco's part? like Paul says he does
This snippet appears repeatedly in Marco's article and strikes me as a passive-aggressive snub. The leading Apple pundits (Gruber, Marco, Dalrymple) are getting more and more hateful towards Apple's competitors and I think this betrays an underlying belief that Apple's glory days are (sadly) waning. It screams desperation. Maybe this Ellison guy is right.I'm not a particularly big fan of Google or Apple or Microsoft, and I despise Facebook. But I still use all of their tech daily, but I'm sure as hell not going to cheer lead for any of them.
Edit: Fixed broken copy-pasted links, thanks anonymoushn.
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#44So I think there are two points that Paul makes: hardware and services. On the hardware front: I don't really buy the notion that Android hardware is up to par with Apple. I realize this is an inherently subjective argument: I've played with my friends' Android phones and I just don't like the way they look or feel compared to the iPhone. On the services front: I think the argument that "Google is an advertising comp…
It's not totally related to this discussion, and I'm not picking on you - but I had to mention this: I have a friend that bought himself a MacBook Pro (for around 2200€) and then went on to observe how this laptop is far better than any previous he owned, and how it's better than what his colleagues ad friends own. I agreed with him, and then told him that most of them paid way less than 1000€ for their laptop, and probably noone paid even close to what he paid (alas. there are not a lot of MacBooks around here), ofcourse a MacBook is way better than a 600€ HP laptop.
People forget that, most of the Android devices (analog to laptops) are actually cheaper than a iPhone.
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#45So to get a user like me to switch platforms - it's a huge personal expense, not just of money, but of time and intellectual bandwidth. I don't need a device that's just arguably better, or a little better... I'd need a game-changer of a device to switch, something that does basically everything I do on my iPhone more efficiently, faster, better, cheaper. I don't see that.
I'll probably stay on iPhone unless Apple really screws up.
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#47One point I'd like to see discussed is written by Bruce Schneier, it made me look at the subject a bit differently than before: If the National Security Agency required us to notify it whenever we made a new friend, the nation would rebel. Yet we notify Facebook. If the Federal Bureau of Investigation demanded copies of all our conversations and correspondence, it would be laughed at. Yet we provide copies of our e-m…
Google's primary business is advertising, meaning that like the publishers of yore they sell "space", now with the advent of technology that "space" gets populated with what the algos determine to be the best suitable ad according to data about the would be viewer of said ad. They don't 'sell their users to advertisers', they offer them a dashboard with which they supply the content of the advertisement, choose the interests they want to target, and measure the effectiveness of it all. Advertisers do not get exposed to user data - they deal with abstractions.
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#49Can someone explain to me why Marco Arment's opinion is so important? I mean it even seems like he doesn't understand why. What makes him so popular?
He's not quite the shill that Gruber is, but it all adds up that he's popular on HN.
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#50GMail and Google Maps were my go to apps on Android for years (since 2009 in fact). They both suck now. Combine that with the brick-like interactivity of my less than 2 year-old Galaxy Nexus and I'm abandoning Android for iOS as soon as my contract expires despite the fact I actually prefer a lot of Android's look and feel. To be fair, my Nexus 7 hasn't quite given up the ghost yet, but now that its successor has bee…