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Re: Google Blindness

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Post by Fuzzwah »

madoublet wrote: post #16
Fuzzwah wrote: post #2

So you've got to choose one and he's chosen apple. The previous article chose google. I've chosen google but what would make an interesting article for me is one which explained whether iOS or android was better if / when I want to cut myself off from either apple or google's online services and replace them with self hosted email / calendar / etc.

I would argue that you do not have to choose one. In fact, it is probably better if you don't.

My 1st line was a poorly worded TL;DR of the article. I agree with your point.

Re: Google Blindness

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Post by CodeCube »

antitrust wrote: post #14

> I object to a huge, creepy advertising company having that much access to me and my data, I think it’s unwise to use many proprietary, hard-to-replace services in such important roles, and I think it’s downright foolish to tie that much of your data and functionality into proprietary services run by one company in one account... He makes a good point. Absolute power gets abused absolutely. Unless the person to whom…

> "... they aren't Zen masters"

Well, not all of them, at least :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8fcqrNO7so

Re: Google Blindness

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Post by johnward »

Can someone explain to me why Marco Arment's opinion is so important? I mean it even seems like he doesn't understand why. What makes him so popular?

Re: Google Blindness

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Post by acqq »

jmduke wrote: post #26
acqq wrote: post #20

One point I'd like to see discussed is written by Bruce Schneier, it made me look at the subject a bit differently than before: If the National Security Agency required us to notify it whenever we made a new friend, the nation would rebel. Yet we notify Facebook. If the Federal Bureau of Investigation demanded copies of all our conversations and correspondence, it would be laughed at. Yet we provide copies of our e-m…

I get clear utility out of letting Facebook know who my friends are. I see no clear utility out of letting the NSA know who my friends are.

The Government would say: NSA protects you from the terrorists, there's your clear utility. But there are enough other threads to discuss NSA.

I'm interested in Google here. What are our limits feeding it? Are we really aware of what we are doing, in the name of convenience?

Re: Google Blindness

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Post by greedo »

jmduke wrote: post #21

So I think there are two points that Paul makes: hardware and services. On the hardware front: I don't really buy the notion that Android hardware is up to par with Apple. I realize this is an inherently subjective argument: I've played with my friends' Android phones and I just don't like the way they look or feel compared to the iPhone. On the services front: I think the argument that "Google is an advertising comp…

It'd be interesting to conduct a blind test, where all the logos/branding were removed from the devices.

Re: Google Blindness

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Post by seiji »

jmduke wrote: post #26
acqq wrote: post #20

One point I'd like to see discussed is written by Bruce Schneier, it made me look at the subject a bit differently than before: If the National Security Agency required us to notify it whenever we made a new friend, the nation would rebel. Yet we notify Facebook. If the Federal Bureau of Investigation demanded copies of all our conversations and correspondence, it would be laughed at. Yet we provide copies of our e-m…

I get clear utility out of letting Facebook know who my friends are. I see no clear utility out of letting the NSA know who my friends are.

You get utility in exchange for giving them utility^2.

Is it worth giving someone $100 if they turn around and turn it into $10,000 when you get nothing in return? (Note: we're not designed to think on such expansive macro-connected scales, so nobody (except weirdos) cares to stop enabling such broken behaviors.)

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Post by [deleted] »

jmduke wrote: post #26
acqq wrote: post #20

One point I'd like to see discussed is written by Bruce Schneier, it made me look at the subject a bit differently than before: If the National Security Agency required us to notify it whenever we made a new friend, the nation would rebel. Yet we notify Facebook. If the Federal Bureau of Investigation demanded copies of all our conversations and correspondence, it would be laughed at. Yet we provide copies of our e-m…

I get clear utility out of letting Facebook know who my friends are. I see no clear utility out of letting the NSA know who my friends are.

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Re: Google Blindness

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Post by daurnimator »

Why has it been painted as a dichotomy of Apple vs Google?

In my experience, you want apple software/service, you have to go apple hardware; and essentially vice-versa. (Correct me if I'm wrong!)

But if you go with Android (or other OSes) you can choose whatever "cloud" services you want. Just cause Paul used Google with his android phone doesn't mean you have to.

Re: Google Blindness

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Post by greedo »

madoublet wrote: post #16
Fuzzwah wrote: post #2

So you've got to choose one and he's chosen apple. The previous article chose google. I've chosen google but what would make an interesting article for me is one which explained whether iOS or android was better if / when I want to cut myself off from either apple or google's online services and replace them with self hosted email / calendar / etc.

I would argue that you do not have to choose one. In fact, it is probably better if you don't.

And that's the point Marco makes; that relying solely on one vendor (Apple/Google/Facebook/Twitter/MS) is foolish.

Re: Google Blindness

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Post by josh2600 »

casca wrote: post #11

We're currently in the stage of the Internet where we can choose our feudal masters[1]. Want Google? Fine. Prefer Apple. No problem. Microsoft? Why not. For me, the issue is that people are becoming more entrenched as time progresses. The cost of preparing to switch can be relatively low - pay $8/year for your own domain and it's possible to keep using the same systems you choose today. Yet if the technological elite…

Your comment could have a few names changed and apply equally well to the Lycos and Yahoo web portals of the early Internet.

The Tech elite have the same chance as the rest of us. We're all humans, vulnerable to loneliness, envy and every other mortal sin. The pain of switching is not technical, but social and political.

It is a deeply political and social decision to disconnect from our social fabric and not one that even the most ostracized members of society make in haste. I just think you're ignoring the real costs in favor of the monetary concerns.

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