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Re: Hyperloop

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Eventually hits up against this problem: http://books.google.com/books?id=DenWKRgqzWMC&pg=PA67&lpg=PA...

"We have a circulating system with a fixed population..." Not quite the same since people getting off the hyperloop won't be turning around to get on it again.

He said the primary use case was commuting..

Re: Hyperloop

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"The Hyperloop is sized to allow expansion as the network becomes increasingly popular. The capacity would be 840 passengers per hour which more than sufficient to transport all of the 6 million passengers traveling between Los Angeles and San Francisco are as per year. In addition, this accounts for 70% of those travelers to use the Hyperloop during rush hour. The lower cost of traveling on Hyperloop is likely to re…

Thanks. By comparison HSR in Europe carries 300-500 people with three minute headways (according to wikipedia).

... and the Tokaido shinkansen carries 1300+ passengers per train, with up to about 15 trains per hour at peak times, so about 20,000 passengers / hour (per direction).

At ~850 passengers / hour, Hyperloop seems like it's operating in another realm entirely....

Ironically, at Musk's "projected" low ticket prices (which granted probably aren't anywhere near realistic) and short travel times, one would expect a huge demand for hyperloop, so its relatively low capacity seems like a serious issue...

Re: Hyperloop

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Well, fast trains or no new trains. It is still technically possible to get on BART in San Francisco and get off from a train in Los Angeles. You wouldn't choose to do this -- nobody would choose to do this [1] -- but it is possible. [1] http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/14/magazine/14Train-t.html?pa...

I see, fair enough, cheers for pointing that out. I'm in the UK and we're pretty well connected by rail, I wasn't expecting the alternative to be that ridiculous, just normal slower trains.

Density is destiny. Population densities:

  407/km² England
  256/km² UK
   93/km² California
   32/km² USA

Re: Hyperloop

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Uhm, LA alone has more people than DC and Boston combined. Plus another 9 million living in the Bay Area. This is far and away the most obvious candidate for direct HSR in all of North America.

No, the Northeast corridor is the clear winner for HSR in the United States.[1] The difference is, we already have the Acela, so it just needs a speed upgrade. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_Megalopolis

Unless you'd like to go from Boston to DC without making four stops along the way. In California you have two of the largest metropolitan areas in the country separated by 400 miles of nothing (with apologies to the Central Valley). HSR wins big when it goes fast without stopping, which is exactly the case out here.

Re: Hyperloop

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I honestly expected better work. I feel like this is something everyday users on Reddit or HN could have put together in a report. I only gave it a look because Elon Musk's name is on it. That says something sad about me when it comes to the Big Imagination projects :-/

Part of what has made Musk so special is that he gets things done. As they say, ideas are a dime a dozen - what matters is execution and Musk has proven time and again that he can nail execution. It's the same reason that pg & YC say that they really care about the founding team and frequently encourage the founders to pivot far away from their original ideas.

> Part of what has made Musk so special is that he gets things done.

Not applicable to Hyperloop, which he has pretty clearly said he is not going to get done.

Re: Hyperloop

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> "Tubes located on pylons would limit access to the critical elements of the system." is meant to mean in §4.5.6 I'd be grateful... You don't have to worry about cows wandering into oncoming vehicles like you do with cars and trains. It's also harder for non-determined people with malicious intent to interfere with operations. A determined attacker can, of course, scale pylons. But you don't have to worry about stuf…

the pylon could be the target to disrupt the operation

Yes, but so could tracks on any high-speed rail, and in that case with considerably greater ease. In this case, the actual railway is sealed off from all but the most determined external forces, who would be able to do just as much damage to a conventional train.

Re: Hyperloop

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"In the case of the Hyperloop, Musk started focusing on public transportation after he grew disenchanted with the plans for California’s high-speed rail system." And who says that big government stifles entrepreneurial innovation? If ALL Musk does with the Hyperloop announcement is shed more light on the potential debacle that is to be our $70b+ high-speed rail in California, we owe him a debt of gratitude. PS - Dire…

but why to ask California State for subsidy? Why not to build it using private funds? I'd imagine that if this is economically sound idea there must be potential investors lining up to have their share in the Project? The estimated cost is $7B. Now, Musk just needs to make a few calls to his friends at Google, Amazon, etc. Can't these guys just form a company together just to build it? Maybe I'm naive... or maybe Mus…

Well the issue, apart from getting the land to build, is probably that the public benefits a great deal more than a company can profit off. There are always going to be intangible benefits from huge infrastructure projects like this that a company can't monetize. Hence what is economically a good idea for the nation or state as a whole, is not necessarily a good idea for a private investor.

Re: Hyperloop

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I'm sure the seatbacks would all have some net connected display for movies or actual computing.

Are you? I wouldn't rule it out, but personally I think getting an outside signal into a sealed capsule which is moving so rapidly that it must use battery power rather than a physically connected power source seems more than trivial.

You can yak on your cellphone (or watch movies on your tablet) for the entire 35 minutes of this journey.

Re: Hyperloop

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I see, fair enough, cheers for pointing that out. I'm in the UK and we're pretty well connected by rail, I wasn't expecting the alternative to be that ridiculous, just normal slower trains.

In the US, rail is optimized for freight, not people.

Inasmuch as it's optimized at all.

Re: Hyperloop

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Part of what has made Musk so special is that he gets things done. As they say, ideas are a dime a dozen - what matters is execution and Musk has proven time and again that he can nail execution. It's the same reason that pg & YC say that they really care about the founding team and frequently encourage the founders to pivot far away from their original ideas.

> Part of what has made Musk so special is that he gets things done. Not applicable to Hyperloop, which he has pretty clearly said he is not going to get done.

> Not applicable to Hyperloop, which he has pretty clearly said he is not going to get done.

But he conceived the idea. Ideas have value and can be said to be "done". To argue that pure ideas have no substance is to argue against science.

I think it's admirable that he published the idea without attachment or limitation, in such a way that others can turn it into hardware.

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