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City of London calls halt to smartphone tracking bins

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Re: City of London calls halt to smartphone tracking bins

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So for 100$ the recycling bins could be back on the street, if they credibly anonymize the data?

Well, what they were doing was probably never illegal. That doesn't mean the City of London are obliged to let them do it – they're their bins.

I thought it was the company responsible for the bins doing it. My bad.

Re: City of London calls halt to smartphone tracking bins

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I figured it to be a publicity stunt, the bins are selling advertising, this gets their description and capabilities into the press. But it twigged an interesting idea (probably impractical) of a personal version of this device. It could give just watch for mac addresses (or bluetooth addresses) that got into range or stayed in range. If someone was following you in a car it might show up as continued presence of an…

Those cost $57. http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/bits/2013/08/02/a-cheap-spyi...

Yup pretty much, although for mobility reasons you'd want it to be battery powered. I was thinking more like re-purposing a late model Android handset. Root it, put a kernel on it which was designed for surveillance rather than telephony, have it spool to it's microSD drive and get analyzed each evening.

Re: City of London calls halt to smartphone tracking bins

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Note that it's the 'City of London Corporation' [1] that's called for a halt. The title at the moment implies that the authorities of London as a whole have gotten involved. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_London_Corporation

Yes. When most people say London they mean Greater London, not The City.

Well we mean "The City known as London". Most people outside of those that live there wouldn't understand the difference between the history of Londinium and its founding all the way back to Roman times. And the "suburbs" if you will that most people would identify to be the city itself. It is much like most people don't always distinguish the boroughs of New York from the City of New York until they need to have a reason to.

TLDR: I agree, and disagree simultaneously and think that the whole rats nest of London and who controls what with things like the "Mayor" to be... stereo-typically British for lack of a better term. :)

Re: City of London calls halt to smartphone tracking bins

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Think of all the fun you can have too. You could potentially fake a person's electronic signature and then visit strange places.

Kind of reminds me of Ghost in the Shell philosophy[0]: What good is electronic surveillance when people who can run scripts and programs to imitate other people to the point that it will be indistinguishable from the real thing? Thinking about this stuff gets me excited about the future. I'm deff going to be involved making stuff like this happen, haha. Edit: Already getting myself involved with it now… [0] https://…

I JUST finished watching (for the nth time) episode 6 of SAC, and this is where the laughing man case takes form. I feel that if you're on Hacker News, it's a must watch because it blends philosophy and technology with a bit of ethics and possibility very very well.

Heck, I won't be surprised if someone's startup is inspired by that. I can already see usage of some tech that vaguely resembles the Oculus Rift (and yes, the Virtual boy of the past), ah you know what, just go watch it. You will not be disappointed.

Re: City of London calls halt to smartphone tracking bins

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, what they were doing was probably never illegal. That doesn't mean the City of London are obliged to let them do it – they're their bins.

I thought it was the company responsible for the bins doing it. My bad.

It was the company who installed the bins. The City of London gave the company a contract for the bins, this tracking is something that has developed after the original contract was signed.

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I thought it was the company responsible for the bins doing it. My bad.

It was the company who installed the bins. The City of London gave the company a contract for the bins, this tracking is something that has developed after the original contract was signed.

And apparently the City of London only found out about the tracking from the news[1]. Powerful people don't like surprises like that.

[1] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/12/spy_bins_scrapped_fr...

Re: City of London calls halt to smartphone tracking bins

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1) Good. 2) who the hell wrote this article? "The UK and the EU have strict laws about mining personal data using cookies, which involves effectively installing a small monitoring device on people's phones or computers, but the process of tracking MAC codes leaves no trace on individuals' handsets." I'm sorry, what now? a small data file is not a "device." (answer: Joe Miller, apparently.)

Actually, a cookie could be considered a device, it would just be an unusual use of the word.

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For those unaware, this is not "London" that's stopping the tracking bins, it's the City of London. This is the historical center and current financial district. It is ~1 square mile out of ~600 for the. There are all sorts of curiosities around the City - it is not governed like the other boroughs and is extremely wealthy in its own right. Conspiracy theorists have found much fodder in the City government and contro…

CGPGrey's The (Secret) City of London (Part [1]: History, Part [2]: Government) [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrObZ_HZZUc [2] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1ROpIKZe-c

I've seen the video at link #1 before but not #2, still interesting to watch I watch #1 again and #2.

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Am I the only one who finds that a bit silly? Perhaps the next step will be that we won't be allowed to look at other people on the street anymore, because we would gather too much information. What if I want to open a shop and count the pedestrians walking by at a potential location, will police swoop in to throw me in jail? I wouldn't be surprised if every smartphone with WLAN also "tracks" other people on the stre…

Your brain can't track millions of people and remember them all forever without breaking a sweat like computers can. The difference is the scale and the permanence of the data. And yes, the mobile companies shouldn't be collecting that data even though they are. When I visit my dominatrix, 15 illicit children or go for my ballet lessons, I want it to stay private from my 3 girlfriends. There are numerous organisation…

> what the hell does anyone need this information for

Advertising. This isn't the first company to try this, and it sure as hell won't be the last. They want to know where people move, where they look, what stores they visit, and ideally what they googled for last night, and then send targeted ads to smart devices and electronic billboards.

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