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You Might Have an Invisible Facebook Account Even if You Never Signed Up

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Re: You Might Have an Invisible Facebook Account Even if You Never Signed Up

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That's why this is still very relevant: http://betabeat.com/2011/12/in-which-eben-moglen-like-legit-...

By merely using Facebook, its users are harming others (i.e. their privacy). And it extends even to those who don't use Facebook themselves.

Re: You Might Have an Invisible Facebook Account Even if You Never Signed Up

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post #35

Ok so maybe I'm alone here, but this doesn't bother me at all. How is this an invasion on anyone's privacy? They are just using the info a user already gave them access to. Why does it matter if Facebook has information about you you can't see? Is it really surprising that they do? It's not like FB just shows us the DB tables so that we know what info they are storing on us. As programmers we should all understand th…

Why wouldn't you consider it a violation of privacy simply because another person provided information about you? If you had friends and family who intentionally shared any information you provided in private, you would have no problem with that, and think it should be a generally acceptable societal norm?

The idea that any information you share beyond your own mindspace is up for grabs by any method seems bizarre to me.

It is simply too inconvenient to live in a way where you give up zero information about yourself to everyone. It shouldn't be a black or white decision when it comes to sharing any information, but it's to the advantage of companies that make money on other people's information to want people to believe such a severe stance on personal information is a reasonable choice people have to face.

Re: You Might Have an Invisible Facebook Account Even if You Never Signed Up

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post #15

Let's think of a typical use case where a "shadow profile" is useful. Let's say my friend Jane is on facebook. She has my phone number on her phone with my first name. Facebook notices that this phone number is not linked to any other accounts, therefore I must not be registered. Fast forward two months, and I decide to sign up for facebook. I put my phone number in (as a form of password recovery I believe) and it a…

No, that's how modern privacy invasion works. After Facebook scanned Jane's phonebook, and made the invites Jane asked, Facebook should have deleted your phone number.

Define privacy. If I tell my mother what my girlfriend's name is, that's not an invasion of privacy. If my friend tells Facebook what my phone number is, that's not an invasion if privacy either.

If I share my phone number with my friend, under the agreement that my friend will not share it with others, and he shares it with Facebook, then my friend has violated my privacy... not facebook.

Re: You Might Have an Invisible Facebook Account Even if You Never Signed Up

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post #24

I actually got a peek at Facebook's behavior maybe 5 years ago when I signed up to beta-test a video game. They had used the Facebook login API for their beta forums without marking it on their site, so signing up for the game signed me up for Facebook. Suddenly all the Facebook ads everywhere knew my name. Three weeks and about 40 emails to "update my Facebook profile" that I reported to Gmail as phishing later, I r…

I have the same feeling about LinkedIn! I only recently signed up for LinkedIn, about a year ago, using my GMail address I use for job-hunting purposes. I've had this account since circa-2008 but I ONLY use it for work purposes (since it's a bit more professional sounding). I also have another GMail account which I have had for much longer and shared amongst friend and some old colleagues. When I signed up for Linked…

Probably based on your IP (range). If 5 people from IP address X work at company Y, chances are you work there as well.

Re: You Might Have an Invisible Facebook Account Even if You Never Signed Up

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post #49

The main invasion of privacy here is your friend(s) agreeing to give Facebook (a 3rd party) your information without asking or informing you. This is analogous to Facebook giving the government (a 3rd party) your information without asking or informing you.

i brought this up when my family using the "family tree" app a few years ago. they kept marking their familial relations online for all to see, for free and in great detail. needless to say, i was met with blank stares when i brought this up.

You're worried about family tree data? Births, marriages, deaths, etc are all public information.

This data should be free and open instead of behind pay walls or locked away in a records office or library.

Google combinations of your full name, father/mother and birthdate in various formats and you might be pleasantly surprised how much is out there.

Re: You Might Have an Invisible Facebook Account Even if You Never Signed Up

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You are going to be in for a real shock if you ever see a phone book. Pages upon pages of names matched with phone numbers!

It's a relatively new idea, the modern expectation of 'privacy', and one that's completely out of touch with reality. It's only within the past hundred years that most people did not know everyone in their town - Even in cities, you probably shopped at a small set of stores and were known by name by the clerks. Technology has caught up, and now it's possible for shopkeeps to know your name again.

Invasion of privacy is what's new, not privacy itself.

Re: You Might Have an Invisible Facebook Account Even if You Never Signed Up

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Serious question here. Why should I care?

Convince me why I should close my facebook account. Why I shouldn't purposely feed google with infos. Why I shouldn't answer to phone surveys.

Hell. I /like/ having accurate ads on the web. I like reading meaningful spam that sells me the products I want for half the price.

Anybody can already look up my name on 411 and get all my infos. Why should I care if the big corps also gather it to sell me meaningful stuff? It's not like they could use magickal voodoo power based on those infos to brainwash me...

Re: You Might Have an Invisible Facebook Account Even if You Never Signed Up

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post #58
post #10

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First thing to do on an Android is to go under settings/apps/All and disable the privacy parasites such as the facebook apps(4) and google+.

Anyone knows if the preinstalled FB application sends anything to FB even if you've never used it?

Theoretically it could, definitely. I don't know if anyone's done the packet sniffing for it.

Re: You Might Have an Invisible Facebook Account Even if You Never Signed Up

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First thing to do on an Android is to go under settings/apps/All and disable the privacy parasites such as the facebook apps(4) and google+.

But aren't you doing this AFTER you install the app? Which defies the purpose because by the time you turn it off, all your data is transferred.

Some OEMs include Facebook in their system image.

Re: You Might Have an Invisible Facebook Account Even if You Never Signed Up

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post #60

Is this it? This is our brave new world of pervasive data gathering, social network analysis, and the dying gasp of any shred of privacy? This is the future we've built for ourselves? I haven't had a facebook account for 3 years. I'm certain FB has a shadow profile for me today and there's nothing I can do about it. My friends don't understand (or don't care about) the implications of everything they do online being…

If 'has your contact info in a database' amounts to a "Shadow Profile", there are quite many shadow profiles of you laying around. It probably has relations to all the people on Facebook who have your contact info added, but overall this is much ado about nothing.
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