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Re: Caring about things

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Post by hef19898 » Mon, Aug 12, 2013, 9:12 AM UTC

mcv wrote: post #10

porker wrote: post #8

I'd like this to be true, but I think it's a very utopian ideal. If people care as much as the founders do about the company, they're going to get very disillusioned when the founders head in a different direction to the one they'd take the company and they get no say in it . Because although they're as invested in the company as the founders, they don't have the power. I also wonder why (apart from the charity secto…

Make employees co-owners. Then they have more incentive to care, and their voice counts in the direction of the company. It's not just someone else's problem anymore.

Only works in smaller companies, when companies grow to big the usual share programms used to achieve this are way to small to mean anything.

Re: Caring about things

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Post by infinity0 » Mon, Aug 12, 2013, 10:19 AM UTC

You can learn all the math in the 'verse, but you take a boat in the air that you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of the worlds. Love keeps her in the air when she oughta fall down, tells you she's hurtin' 'fore she keens. Makes her a home.

Re: Caring about things

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Post by mathattack » Mon, Aug 12, 2013, 11:34 AM UTC

I used to hate campaigns that would just "Raise Awareness" because I thought that raising awareness never fixed anything. After a while I realized it was the first step to getting people to care. Presenting a solution before anyone cares doesn't fix anything either. I'd put "Do what it takes to solve the problem" instead of a blurb about IQ, but otherwise I agree.

Re: Caring about things

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Post by porker » Mon, Aug 12, 2013, 11:37 AM UTC

hef19898 wrote: post #11

mcv wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Make employees co-owners. Then they have more incentive to care, and their voice counts in the direction of the company. It's not just someone else's problem anymore.

Only works in smaller companies, when companies grow to big the usual share programms used to achieve this are way to small to mean anything.

Actually in the UK one of the large department store/supermarket chains works this way, and it seems to work pretty well for them. Sure, the reward and input isn't huge, but they look after their staff very well, and they get a share of the profits each year.

http://www.johnlewispartnership.co.uk/csr/our-employees/empl...

Re: Caring about things

#15

Post by legulere » Mon, Aug 12, 2013, 11:54 AM UTC

Please place spaces after , : and - and reduce the width of the text. It's very hard to read this way.

Re: Caring about things

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Post by jamesdelaneyie » Mon, Aug 12, 2013, 12:15 PM UTC

legulere wrote: post #15

Please place spaces after , : and - and reduce the width of the text. It's very hard to read this way.

Caring about typography :')

Re: Caring about things

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Post by jamesdelaneyie » Mon, Aug 12, 2013, 12:38 PM UTC

This is well good. There is just one thing that can be an issue with people who care. Are they caring about the right things at the right time? Suppose that's the manager's role to help focus the team.

Re: Caring about things

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Post by skyraider » Mon, Aug 12, 2013, 12:51 PM UTC

jared314 wrote: post #9

porker wrote: post #8

I'd like this to be true, but I think it's a very utopian ideal. If people care as much as the founders do about the company, they're going to get very disillusioned when the founders head in a different direction to the one they'd take the company and they get no say in it . Because although they're as invested in the company as the founders, they don't have the power. I also wonder why (apart from the charity secto…

> why invest their soul in someone else's problem? Depending on their age, they might not know better. Young developers are sold the ideal of changing the world through passion, but still end up as just employees. I still remember the first time a company offered me options instead of an annual raise, and a more experienced coworker quietly informed me why they did that. My enthusiasm was quickly brought down to eart…

Wait, why did they offer you options instead of a raise? I just want to hear why that reason tempered your enthusiasm. (I don't get excited about options since I have to buy them, but they can be more incentivizing, at least for me, than salary in the rare case that they are given on fair terms.)

Re: Caring about things

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Post by skyraider » Mon, Aug 12, 2013, 12:57 PM UTC

porker wrote: post #8

I'd like this to be true, but I think it's a very utopian ideal. If people care as much as the founders do about the company, they're going to get very disillusioned when the founders head in a different direction to the one they'd take the company and they get no say in it . Because although they're as invested in the company as the founders, they don't have the power. I also wonder why (apart from the charity secto…

This is why I find it incredibly creepy and insulting when founders of small companies try the 'true sense of ownership' or 'we hope you are as excited to work on this as we are' lines. If you want me to be as excited as you are, give me the same stake in the outcome of my work that you have in the outcome of yours.

Re: Caring about things

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Post by bgilroy26 » Mon, Aug 12, 2013, 1:00 PM UTC

porker wrote: post #8

I'd like this to be true, but I think it's a very utopian ideal. If people care as much as the founders do about the company, they're going to get very disillusioned when the founders head in a different direction to the one they'd take the company and they get no say in it . Because although they're as invested in the company as the founders, they don't have the power. I also wonder why (apart from the charity secto…

If you're young enough, the compensation that you are receiving in terms of experience can be quite valuable.

It is measurable in difference between the salary you would have received if you took a job before you worked for X startup and the salary you would have received if you leave and get a job after having worked for X startup.