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Re: Vim 7.4 is released

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Post by ics »

Watabou wrote: post #76
michaelbarton wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's a fair point, judging by appearances may be instinctual if not conscious. The current git website ( http://git-scm.com/ ) looks the way it does because of an effort to replace the old one ( http://web.archive.org/web/20120101013850/http://git-scm.com... and https://github.com/blog/1125-new-git-homepage ).

You know, I actually like the old git website. It's less cluttered and looks cleaner. Maybe it's just me? The new git website does look modern but with all the logos and unneeded images, it's sort of disorienting.

I completely agree. It's polished, but by no means "homely" if you know what I mean. Usually when I have a question about git I end up on StackOverflow, but once in a while I click a link to git-scm.com and about halfway through finding my answer I start wondering to myself where the "Buy Now" button is.

Re: Vim 7.4 is released

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Post by ceol »

gaving wrote: post #36

I love vim, but:- http://www.vim.org/ http://www.sublimetext.com/ Which one would you want to use?

The one that doesn't require months of training to get at a productive level.

/ducks

All editor-fanboyism aside, who cares? I spent $59 on ST2 and it was, by far, the best $59 I've ever spent. But if someone is more comfortable with vim or emacs or nano or gedit, I don't care. It doesn't bother me, as long as you're making something.

Re: Vim 7.4 is released

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Post by zmmmmm »

gaving wrote: post #36

I love vim, but:- http://www.vim.org/ http://www.sublimetext.com/ Which one would you want to use?

The one that is installed by default for free on every computer I ever use (except Windows, where it gets installed 5 mins after I start using it).

For me, given that Vim is easily powerful enough to compete with any other editor, the benefits of ubiquity override anything else.

Re: Vim 7.4 is released

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Post by graywh »

sigzero wrote: post #73
Yoshino wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I turned them off completely. I found that the line numbers and file position in the status line was more than enough to get my bearings, and it looks nicer without the scrollbars. In ~/.gvimrc: " no toolbar set go-=T " no right scrollbar set go-=r " no left scollbar set go-=L

You can put those on one line...and I do the same. :)

Only if the order is the same. E.g.

  :set go=aAcegimtv
  :set go-=vtmigecAa
  :set go? " guioptions=aAcegimtv

Re: Vim 7.4 is released

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Post by zeckalpha »

lsiebert wrote: post #54
zeckalpha wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Larry Wall does not have a CS degree.

But his degree did involve computers. He got his undergraduate degree in natural and artificial languages

I got mine in Linguistics, so I have no problem with him for his degree, just Perl's "regular" expressions.

Re: Vim 7.4 is released

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Post by dsrguru »

gaving wrote: post #36

I love vim, but:- http://www.vim.org/ http://www.sublimetext.com/ Which one would you want to use?

Without a question, the one with text objects. Productivity is far greater with vim. Actually to be fair, Sublime's vim emulation mode implements a few text objects, but the proprietary source means no adding our own.

Re: Vim 7.4 is released

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Post by justinator »

mjn wrote: post #70
lsiebert wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But his degree did involve computers. He got his undergraduate degree in natural and artificial languages

I assume a degree with that title would lean towards the formal side of linguistics, which means you would certainly cover things like the Chomsky hierarchy in detail; after all linguistics is where the Chomsky hierarchy (though not regular languages) originated.

In this interview[1] he states that his degree is one that he designed himself (which his college allowed), and that he used his programming classes and experience as the second of two foreign languages he needed for his Linguistics degree (the first being Classical Greek). He calls this a, "hack".

He talks about schooling after his undergrad, but doesn't go into what that was.

[1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNAtbYSxzuA

Re: Vim 7.4 is released

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Post by venus »

dsrguru wrote: post #87
gaving wrote: post #36

I love vim, but:- http://www.vim.org/ http://www.sublimetext.com/ Which one would you want to use?

Without a question, the one with text objects. Productivity is far greater with vim. Actually to be fair, Sublime's vim emulation mode implements a few text objects, but the proprietary source means no adding our own.

> Productivity is far greater with vim

I don't agree with that at all. Vim is useful, perhaps, for a few text matching tricks but typing speed is rarely the bottleneck in programming. It's optimising for the wrong thing.

The only people advocating for vim are those who have already gone through the pointless pain of 5 years learning to use the thing. It's basically a cult, or at least a club. And frankly, watching these vim "power users" is usually quite frustrating - they struggle to do trivial tasks which can be accomplished in sublime with a simple right mouse click.

It is important to know the basic vim commands for when you are editing text via ssh but for everyday use sublime text is, IMO, superior in every way.

Re: Vim 7.4 is released

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Post by jlgreco »

gaving wrote: post #36

I love vim, but:- http://www.vim.org/ http://www.sublimetext.com/ Which one would you want to use?

The one that is future proof. I go to large lengths to only rely on software that is future proof, and a text editor is something that I naturally come to rely on.
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