Let me guess, this will be used as a way to legitimize the FISA court. Nothing to see here - move on. See, your rights are being protected.
Obama to release FISA court opinion that ruled NSA surveillance unconstitutional
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Re: Obama to release FISA court opinion that ruled NSA surveillance unconstitutional
#22At a point in our nation's early history, we decided to trust Constitutional interpretation to the Supreme Court. There were cons to that decision - the Constitution is our social contract and thus it's interpretation is ultimately up to the people - but on the whole I think it was a good one. But, if for whatever reason, this Judicial review cannot occur - whether that be willful avoidance by the DEA for "Parallel C…
Well, when the NSA is spying on and potentially blackmailing the Supreme Court itself, then it really doesn't matter.
Watch this vid with Siebel Edmund's where she says that the NSA has basically just extended to a massive degree the level of blackmail that intelligence has used since the days of Hoover.
The 4th branch.
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#23Re: Obama to release FISA court opinion that ruled NSA surveillance unconstitutional
#24It's fascinating that the situation is such a mockery of the rule of law, yet it keeps on rolling. If the FISA decided that the NSA's activities were illegal, why would it keep rubber-stamping the warrants? It seems like at that point it should deny every single request going forward until the illegal activities have stopped. Is there a process for impeaching the FISA judges for malfeasance?
It's a matter of official policy to include legal loopholes that enable the Federal government to assert its power rather than comply with the law.
I'm curious what you mean when you say "official policy". Did you mean, that's how the machine works, people will always find/create loopholes.
Or did you mean there is a technical provision somewhere that somehow mandates the existence of such loopholes?
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a matter of official policy to include legal loopholes that enable the Federal government to assert its power rather than comply with the law.
This would be an interesting fodder for case studies... Any empirical examples for benchmarking?
Take my advice with a grain of salt, but I think asking for legal analysis from Hacker News is like asking for technological analysis from Seeking Alpha.
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#26I think we're going to get a bit of data, and say, good job guys, we did it! ... and nothing changes.
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#27As I referenced in another thread, Obama himself voted for the FISA amendment[1].
How clearer must it get that people working for companies like AT&T and Booz Allen are complicit in receiving monetary remuneration for collaborating with various arms of the government in circumventing/intel laundering/routing around the laws and regulations said arms of the government were to be checking each other against?
Must there need be more details of local law enforcement letting Steven Seagal maraud around in federally sourced tanks? Booz Allen assisting local law enforcement in copyright prosecutions? Drone managing SAIC running private monitoring centers with federal fusion center support?
AT&T workers NOT going along with what management puts forward, revealing secret closets instead. Or services shutting down to prevent such hardware from ever being installed?
The US government, all branches, are corrupt by being complicit in each others deeds. Together along with employees within corporations that collaborate with the US government, law is being undone or outright ignored.
Refuse, resist.
[1] H.R. 6304 (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 ) Obama (D-IL), Yea: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_c...
Re: Obama to release FISA court opinion that ruled NSA surveillance unconstitutional
#28Is there some sort of bat signal we can use to get grellas to this thread?
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#29I donated money to Obama's 2008 campaign and voted for him twice. I am very disappointed with him.
Now, my honest opinion is that at worst he sometimes flat out lies, or at least cleverly tries to confuse people. He says that he had an orderly plan for reviewing privacy issues, all the while, I think that his administration has consistently been trying to keep things hushed up.
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
If momentum builds behind an internet blackout a-la the SOPA protest, that'd be a clever way to do it.. write some js/css that black-marker-redacts the page contents.
Reddit already has that for spoiler alerts.
I believe it is just some subreddit css that implements that effect.