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Post by Zigurd »

mpyne wrote: post #492
Zigurd wrote: post #479

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it amazing that anyone can still justify what the government is doing. Every line has been crossed. To the DEA, to the IRS. And, still, you are okie dokie. I am amazed.

Read what I wrote. Did I justify what the government is doing? Or did I say that relative to non-governmental threats that the government has not yet reached the top of the list? If those like you were in charge of invention shops in the 19th century the light bulb would never have been invented. "Ugh, look, this piece of shit failed for the 20th time, this will never work, we should just give up entirely." Luckily w…

I see. So we can have a more perfect surveillance state. And then it will be OK.

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Post by SimHacker »

616c wrote: post #552
SimHacker wrote: post #496

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Well, it looks like we got ourselves a reader. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwkdGr9JYmE

Unfortunately, I cannot find a clip of this from the movie Ronin. One of my favorites with Robert DeNiro as a criminal or spy, and not even his own gang of crooks are trusting of him. Among my many favorite quotes (I am reviewing all of them and laughing; the movie is a goldmine [0]): Spence: You think too hard. Sam (DeNiro): Nobody ever told me that before. [0] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0122690/quotes

"I'm try'n to think, but nuthin happens!" -Curly Joe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxtW98VSegk

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Post by varjag »

iand wrote: post #579
varjag wrote: post #550

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All Scandinavian countries do implement EU Data Retention Directive just as well.

Can you confirm this since Norway is not in the EU

Norway is in EEC, and it volunteered to implement the directive, at the bidding of Arbeidspartiet.

(I live in Norway)

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Post by varjag »

Karunamon wrote: post #608
varjag wrote: post #554

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White noise has distinct statistical properties that allow to mitigate it's effect on detection of meaningful signal. E.g. filtering white noise from audio stream is a very common operation. Sending packets to all contacts at random is a form of introducing white noise, vulnerable to signal processing techniques known and used from 1950s.

I thought the point of encryption was that the end result is supposed to be indistinguishable from noise.

We're talking about metadata here (who talks to whom), not the content of messages.

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Post by lmm »

defen wrote: post #427
wmboy wrote: post #403

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So... there would be market for a secure email service that ran on a ship/vessel that was permanently in the middle of international waters? (might have to have multiple vessel's for redundancy purposes)

IANAAL, but I'm guessing the U.S. would just pressure your flag state to revoke your license. Then they'll arrest you for piracy or something. Or even better issue a letter of marque and reprisal so private citizens can hunt you down and take your stuff.

Why bring in privateers? They'd complicate it, and mean reneging on public commitments. Just label the boat as terrorist and send the Navy or Coast Guard.

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Post by flixic »

vlastik wrote: post #71
Karunamon wrote: post #47

Are there any countries, anywhere, where a person can store data outside the reach of the US government's illegal overreach? Any countries friendly to the US are right out. They can tap the lines, but there are ways around that. I just want to be able to park data where some twit with a piece of paper that says "NSA" on it can't get it retrieved or deleted. Any suggestions?

Iceland should be OK

Iceland is a NATO country, and fairly friendly with USA.

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Post by kbenson »

northwest wrote: post #581
draugadrotten wrote: post #573

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He might not want to relocate. It's risky to relocate the servers in another country. You will have to obey the other country's laws, but the US gov will still claim jurisdiction if the staff and/or owner is in the US. The US will even claim jurisdiction as soon as you use a ".com" domain [1] Of course the hosting nation will also claim jurisdiction. So relocating your servers to one country while staying in another…

He could still just sell it to someone in another country. Neither the service nor his 10 years of work would be lost.

Depending on how bad the government wants the data, that's essentially just charging a high premium to get all the data instead of a specific user's data.

If the purchasing party is less scrupulous, you've thwarted nothing. In extreme cases (or for smaller companies), the purchaser could even be a government front.

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Post by glitch003 »

bgentry wrote: post #36

How long until PayPal suspends their legal defense fund? On a serious note, if you want to donate to their defense fund, consider doing so anonymously. Pay cash for an Amex or Visa gift card, and use that to make your donation.

If only there was some way to securely transfer money across the internet, psuedo-anonymously, without involving PayPal or banks. Almost like transferring coins via bits?

Maybe someday someone will invent such a system. We can dream.

Can you imagine how strange it would be if such a system already existed, and we failed to use it? But that could never happen.

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Post by defen »

lmm wrote: post #615
defen wrote: post #427

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IANAAL, but I'm guessing the U.S. would just pressure your flag state to revoke your license. Then they'll arrest you for piracy or something. Or even better issue a letter of marque and reprisal so private citizens can hunt you down and take your stuff.

Why bring in privateers? They'd complicate it, and mean reneging on public commitments. Just label the boat as terrorist and send the Navy or Coast Guard.

By "better" I just meant it would be "cooler", in the sense of invoking old, rarely used provisions of the Constitution. But you're right, Navy/Coast Guard would be much more effective.
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