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Email service used by Snowden shuts down, warns against using US-based companies

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Re: Email service used by Snowden shuts down, warns against using US-based companies

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Post by nicholassmith »

spodek wrote: post #5

"Can we call it a police state now?" I saw the question on Reddit after a different revelation last month. I feel like we're going to ask that question more and more. I can only hope more and more of us are inspired, as Snowden was by Levinson (Lavabit's CEO) and many of us have been by both of them, and we act to protect ourselves and constrain our governments from overreaching to where they can't help repeating the…

The final difference between a true police state and now is that they're allowed to say that they're not allowed to say anything, or that's how it feels.

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Post by mhurron »

And now we have completed the move to the story is about Snowden.

I wonder what his favorite food is? What is his favorite band? Where is his favorite place to shop? What does he think of the architecture of St. Basils?

A few more weeks and it will be 'Privacy Expert Snowden says...' and no one will remember why he's even famous.

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Post by maxerickson »

conductor wrote: post #9
coldcode wrote: post #2

Yet a "safe" email system is now gone. A better idea would be to move yourself and your encrypted email company to a country that will let you keep providing such a useful service (assuming there is one).

Email is not safe, by design. Even if you do encrypt the contents using PGP or GPG, the headers are too much exposure. They will know who when and with whom you correspond, and all the hosts the mail passed through (if you are not using anonymous re-mailers). The current implementation of email is "defective by design". But _there_are_ alternatives [1], you must just start using them. [1] RetroShare, BitMessage, I2P…

It might sound odd, but I think an easier solution is to commit to being persecuted by the tyranny. The alternatives are to prevent it or live under it, committing to the persecution should encourage prevention.

Re: Email service used by Snowden shuts down, warns against using US-based companies

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Post by rthomas6 »

mhurron wrote: post #22

And now we have completed the move to the story is about Snowden. I wonder what his favorite food is? What is his favorite band? Where is his favorite place to shop? What does he think of the architecture of St. Basils? A few more weeks and it will be 'Privacy Expert Snowden says...' and no one will remember why he's even famous.

Stop assailing our great leader Snowden Christ.

Re: Email service used by Snowden shuts down, warns against using US-based companies

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Post by PavlovsCat »

criley2 wrote: post #8
spodek wrote: post #5

"Can we call it a police state now?" I saw the question on Reddit after a different revelation last month. I feel like we're going to ask that question more and more. I can only hope more and more of us are inspired, as Snowden was by Levinson (Lavabit's CEO) and many of us have been by both of them, and we act to protect ourselves and constrain our governments from overreaching to where they can't help repeating the…

My reply on Reddit when I see people bring that up is simple: You insult people who have experienced a police state by calling what we are experiencing a police state. A police state has no distinction between legislation and executive. Our legislation is currently investigating the president for: * CIA coverup of the attack on our Benghazi consulate' * IRS targeting of political opposition They're planning on using…

I don't see a police state

That's because you haven't been on the wrong end of it yet. Many others in the same state have, and their experience trumps yours.

Re: Email service used by Snowden shuts down, warns against using US-based companies

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Post by pearjuice »

ck2 wrote: post #4

How is it possible for Snowden to be inspired any further? He sacrified his life for us. He is the inspiration. Certainly no president in the next few terms will rest until he is rendered, he has to look over his shoulder now forever. Thank you for your sacrifice Mr. Snowden.

Sacrified his life? Please stop. He merely leaked classified data and sold pieces of it here and there. He is basically living the life of a celebrity right now yet dramafies his existence.

Re: Email service used by Snowden shuts down, warns against using US-based companies

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Post by MWil »

dspillett wrote: post #18
MWil wrote: post #10

Why is Lavabit, based out of Texas, appealing in the Fourth Circuit (Maryland, West VA, Virginia, North and South Carolina)?

Same reason more patent cases are taken to east Texas: some states seem more favourable than others to certain parties in certain types of case.

Patent cases are civil, you can absolutely choose where you want to go, correct. I can't imagine the same is true for which jurisdiction the government uses in handing down a NSL...as I type this I wonder if it came out of Maryland though...

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Post by MrKurtz »

mtgx wrote: post #6

Snowden: "Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Yahoo, Apple, and the rest of our internet titans must ask themselves why they aren't fighting for our interests the same way". Indeed, they must. Your move Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Yahoo and Apple.

Shifting the blame and the burden for policy reform onto firms is not only silly but also unfair, you can't really expect them to shut down, they are not one man operations like Lavabit.

Re: Email service used by Snowden shuts down, warns against using US-based companies

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Post by roc »

criley2 wrote: post #8
spodek wrote: post #5

"Can we call it a police state now?" I saw the question on Reddit after a different revelation last month. I feel like we're going to ask that question more and more. I can only hope more and more of us are inspired, as Snowden was by Levinson (Lavabit's CEO) and many of us have been by both of them, and we act to protect ourselves and constrain our governments from overreaching to where they can't help repeating the…

My reply on Reddit when I see people bring that up is simple: You insult people who have experienced a police state by calling what we are experiencing a police state. A police state has no distinction between legislation and executive. Our legislation is currently investigating the president for: * CIA coverup of the attack on our Benghazi consulate' * IRS targeting of political opposition They're planning on using…

So... as long as there are two or more parties within the State, squabbling about issues unrelated to the over-reach of executive power, spying, police militarization, etc -- it's not a Police State?

Surely every police state has had factions that have vied for political primacy via such side-shows. That can't possibly be a disqualifier.

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