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so the nsa gets a list of IP addresses of mail servers that sent you mail, and sends a subpoena to each of those providers instead.
And if the other side happens to be self-hosted as well or an provider based outside the US?
" Mike Janke, Silent Circle’s chief executive, said in a telephone interview late Thursday that his company had destroyed its server. “Gone. Can’t get it back. Nobody can,” he said. “We thought it was better to take flak from customers than be forced to turn it over.” That guy has brass balls. It may very well be that this will be interpreted as obstruction of justice, there is a specific element in there about destr…
I wonder if they destroyed it before it was part of an investigation? It may have been preemptive to avoid that scenario when the Feds eventually did come knocking on the door. Edit - yes that looks to be the case. From their blog: We see the writing the wall, and we have decided that it is best for us to shut down Silent Mail now. We have not received subpoenas, warrants, security letters, or anything else by any go…
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I wonder if they destroyed it before it was part of an investigation? It may have been preemptive to avoid that scenario when the Feds eventually did come knocking on the door. Edit - yes that looks to be the case. From their blog: We see the writing the wall, and we have decided that it is best for us to shut down Silent Mail now. We have not received subpoenas, warrants, security letters, or anything else by any go…
Although if they had received a FISA subpoena, isn't that what they would be obliged to say?
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so the nsa gets a list of IP addresses of mail servers that sent you mail, and sends a subpoena to each of those providers instead.
And if the other side happens to be self-hosted as well or an provider based outside the US?
A slashdot commenter put this up a few weeks ago, it's worthwhile viewing for an hour - you can get an idea of what the providers are going through. There's a good interview with an archive.org employee around who also received one, and tried to resist in his capacity as a librarian. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C25EkdWLU1k
He also tried to crowdfund a very privacy-oriented ISP a while ago, but he could only do it on IndieGoGo, and it was very new at the time, and I don't think he completed the goal.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-57412225-281/this-internet...
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You're asking this of a government with a growing record of retroactively rewriting laws in its own favour?
Retroactive law for warrantless wiretapping, I am aware of. What other laws can you add to that list?
This is officially Iran level of government-busdiness interaction guys. US seems to have state religion now, that is State Security. Sin and get destroyed. Reminds me of USSR in that regard.
" Mike Janke, Silent Circle’s chief executive, said in a telephone interview late Thursday that his company had destroyed its server. “Gone. Can’t get it back. Nobody can,” he said. “We thought it was better to take flak from customers than be forced to turn it over.” That guy has brass balls. It may very well be that this will be interpreted as obstruction of justice, there is a specific element in there about destr…
The reason why he destroyed it now is so that he doesn't face obstruction of justice charges later. He realized they were coming, one way or another. A lot of lawyers advise that the only and best time to destroy evidence is before it becomes evidence.
Then again I'm a bit more paranoid than most.
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The reason why he destroyed it now is so that he doesn't face obstruction of justice charges later. He realized they were coming, one way or another. A lot of lawyers advise that the only and best time to destroy evidence is before it becomes evidence.
I wouldn't put it past the DOJ to conjure up claims that there are always investigations into every company at all times, so any destruction of property at any time could be construed as destruction of evidence. Then again I'm a bit more paranoid than most.