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Re: Lavabit abruptly shuts down

#362

You know, all these counter measures we come up with are just 'patches' to a set of bugs in our society. We need to rewrite the damn thing. This will just become a cat and mouse game against our own gov't and indirect defensive movements are meaningless without some sort of offensive to change policy. This is becoming a full blown arms race over people's private information. The funding, the computational power, the…

You're talking about Assange. He's currently running for australian senate spot. Read his book, spread the word.

I may have to.

Re: Lavabit abruptly shuts down

#363
post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Make the bastards work for it. Enough people using strong encryption (both for data over the wire and data at rest) makes big-data collection (can't dedupe random noise) and processing/datamining prohibitively expensive if not impossible. Nobody is getting in trouble for moving their data and services offshore. Aside from that? I'd suggest finding a few friendly people in various countries and establish a constant /d…

I wonder if, more than crypto, false positives would make them work harder. They know who you are emailing too, and so likely are not going to target you in any case, since you are not part of an interesting network. But if you start talking about a movie, where they plan to detonate a dirty bomb in Times Square or something... Emacs automates this with M-x spook: morse War on Terrorism encryption Forte Blowpipe LLNL…

haha, I just tried M-x spook, I didn't think it would actually work.

Here was my output:

national information infrastructure Ceridian INSCOM supercomputer AIEWS Afghanistan Blowpipe chameleon man sweep M-14 hackers Roswell lock picking codes spies

second time:

world domination cracking Operation Iraqi Freedom IRA Reno analyzer M-14 David John Oates electronic surveillance pipeline INS security Tony Blair national information infrastructure ASLET

""" spook is an interactive compiled Lisp function.

(spook)

Adds that special touch of class to your outgoing mail. """

  ; Variables
  (defgroup spook nil
    "Spook phrase utility for overloading the NSA line eater."
    :prefix "spook-"
    :group 'games)

  (defcustom spook-phrases-file (expand-file-name "spook.lines" data-directory)
    "Keep your favorite phrases here."
    :type 'file
    :group 'spook)

  (defcustom spook-phrase-default-count 15
    "Default number of phrases to insert."
    :type 'integer
    :group 'spook)
--

Looks like it'd be a good idea to update and expand the spook.lines file.

Re: Lavabit abruptly shuts down

#364

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Maybe, but expecting a false oath makes a mockery of the entire testimonial system.

Canaries always stunk of that juvenile "technically correct" stuff many tech people seem to grow out of later than others. If the judge says "don't paint your wall red" that means "or anything close by any means". It doesn't matter you tried to hack your way out with an automatic vermillion paint flinger setup before the order. You still are supposed to "make the wall not get painted red".

The government can compel you to paint a wall green. They can't compel you to say you liked it. They especially can't compel you to break the law (assuming you set up some kind of situation where it's fraud/perjury/whatever to lie).

And look at how email retention works.

Re: Lavabit abruptly shuts down

#365

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It'll be interesting to see whether companies start to shift to using encrypted email over the next few decades - it's not that hard to set up if you know the counterparty will be using encryption of the same kind, and if it's not a service bought in from an external company you can fairly sure it is secure. Companies could at least insist that intra-company email is encrypted, which would be a huge amount of their n…

Exchange/Outlook already does intra- and extra-company encryption.

This comment implies you actually trust Microsoft's crypto implementation.

Re: Lavabit abruptly shuts down

#366
post #183

The US government is destroying one of the few bright spots in the American economy with its out of control military. It is unconscionable. And the sad thing is it has been enabled by the betrayal by many of the web 2.0 giants, Facebook, Google etc. Google especially is sad to see since they were willing to forgo the Chinese market on principle, but then decided that taking on the authoritarian US government was too…

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Re: Lavabit abruptly shuts down

#367
post #24

I'm in the process of moving any Saas offerings I use off USA-affiliated companies, but it's actually more difficult than I first thought. I believe there might even be a very profitable market in simply duplicating the functionality of Saas offerings at a higher price with security/privacy guarantees in Germany/HK/etc. Might be the next hot business to be in? You'd be surprised as to the number of people seeking alt…

It's not just going to be hosting providers that are affected by this. It's going to lawyers, software engineers, sys admins, writers and graphic designers who are going to lose work/business from SAAS companies. Software is one of the few areas where the US economy is growing somewhat sustainably (as opposed to banking/gambling/housing speculation/medical expenses for elderly). The NSA and all those NSA contractors are taking money out of our hands and destroying our professions. We should be fighting this tooth and nail.

- Politically, we should punish anything associated with the NSA.

- Socially, we should shun everyone from this date forward who works directly with or as a contractor for anything associated with NSA/FBI/CIA/DEA/DIA. We should not hire any programmer who, from this date point forward, has worked in those capacities. They are destroying our profession and businesses.

- On the engineering front, we should be designing technologies for evading the NSA et al, and spread those technologies. We need to do everything possible to make them easy to use and make them widespread.

- Any person or company who stands up to these organizations should be lionized and we should try to patronize their businesses or employee them. Especially if the suffer consequences like jail and torture.

- Facebook, Google, especially Palantir are known collaborators and we should treat them as such

Re: Lavabit abruptly shuts down

#368
post #108

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Moving services off USA-based companies is like using two bicycle locks instead of one. A determined government is still going to get your data, they just need to spend a bit more time. Focus instead on encryption.

The goal is not necessarily security (I have nothing to hide (I still do hide as much as possible))-- the goal is political change. That's the only real way out of this mess. By not using US companies, you incentivize those to lobby for better laws.

Political change on it's own won't work. They will still keep the infrastructure in case they need to spy on someone(with a court order). But if they have the infrastructure , conceptually it's just a press of button again to full blown illegal surveillance.

Re: Lavabit abruptly shuts down

#369
post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Make the bastards work for it. Enough people using strong encryption (both for data over the wire and data at rest) makes big-data collection (can't dedupe random noise) and processing/datamining prohibitively expensive if not impossible. Nobody is getting in trouble for moving their data and services offshore. Aside from that? I'd suggest finding a few friendly people in various countries and establish a constant /d…

I wonder if, more than crypto, false positives would make them work harder. They know who you are emailing too, and so likely are not going to target you in any case, since you are not part of an interesting network. But if you start talking about a movie, where they plan to detonate a dirty bomb in Times Square or something... Emacs automates this with M-x spook: morse War on Terrorism encryption Forte Blowpipe LLNL…

This is great; I have got to find an excuse to use 'M-x spook'.
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